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Job Search / Re: "knowing someone"
« on: July 17, 2008, 01:34:25 PM »
You may get a courtesy interview.  Most partners won't vouch for you, though, unless you're at least vaguely close to what they'd usually hire.  A firm that takes top 10% from T14 schools isn't going to seriously look at you if you're top 50% at T2 just because you know someone.    And if the people you know are relatives, chances are that there's some sort of nepotism rule.

At this point, I'd set up informational interviews with the partners you know, tell them your situation, and ask them for general advice.

I disagree with some of this. But first its going to depend on how well these people know you, just knowing of you or your parents is not enough. If its someone you have met through networking and developed a relationship with over many months, maybe worked on some projects with, then they can better judge your capabilities. These are more likely to result in pull you in positions where the partner personally vouches for you and the firms hires you based on his/her recommendation, bypassing the usual summer in methoed, usually to work directly under them.

I also disagree somewhat with YBRís idea that you canít get a job with a firm that does not normally hire from your school. You canít get a job OCI wise, thatís for sure, but you can be brought in by a partner to work under them. Its happened to me twice at firms that donít not even give my school a courtesy nod in OCI.

There is one big caveat here, at least from what I have seen. I think this method has worked so well for me precisely because I have focused only on one practice area. The majority of my classes, my clinical work, my journal work, my publications, my internships/clerkships and advanced degree have all focused almost exclusively on environmental law. So its been an easier sell to people I have networked with in environmental law that I am a better candidate for an environmental practice area than a generalist student from a better school. However, its also meant I have had to network, since OCI offers little choices for someone who has so specialized in one practice area. So itís a double edged sword.

I could see this working in other specialized practice area like Tax or Admiralty, but more generalist law students donít really have much to offer most firms, so you run up against the better generalist from a better school is the better pick issue YBR describes. The key to getting handpicked is offering something lots of other folks donít have, trying to set yourself apart from the crowd (and LR or moot court board is not enough that IS the crowd), that takes focusing your resume, school activities, internships your whole package, into a specific practice area, at least thatísí what seems to have worked for me.

Interesting...looks like you're an advocate of carving out a niche for yourself.

I go to SLU so I think that I can help.

To be honest, if I were in your situation I would go to the school in the metro area my sister lives in. That is unless you want to do health law. If you want health law, SLU is the best place you could possibly be. If you're not interested in health law, then the decision comes down to which city you want to live in. SLU places some elite grads and may of the health law students outside of St. Louis, but other than that most people stay in town.

I chose SLU because it had the only program that would let me do what I wanted to do (and I was already living in my bf's house and didn't have to move...). If I had been single and able to go wherever in the country I wanted I would likely have considered DU. I just think Denver's going to be a nicer place to live in 10 or so year. Plus I friggin love Colorado.

But if you have any other questions about SLU I'd be happy to answer them.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 08, 2008, 06:28:25 PM »
I have another questionĖdoes anyone have any suggestions for how not to get hosed at the dealership? I'm 25, short, blondeĖI look like someone the salesman's going to think he can take advantage of...

Any suggestions other than just bring along my dad?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 08, 2008, 06:20:29 PM »
It's a 2005Ėthat's the last year they sold them before they came out with the Cobalt. Well at least it has one star....

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 08, 2008, 04:39:57 PM »
All these comments are great. I want to hear the good and bad from people who've actually driven the car.

I had serious buyer's remorse about a month after buying my Cavalier. This sounds kind of silly, but it's a 2-door and the doors on the thing are obnoxiously long. It makes it a problem in tight parking spaces. It's one of those things you might not notice in the half hour test drive.

I'll take a look at some of the American cars. My Cavalier runs just fine, and I'm sure I could get another 50k into it if I had to.

Current Law Students / Re: Here's the dealio
« on: July 07, 2008, 06:42:37 PM »
Or, how about #5: you want to be an attorney. People on this board talk about law school like the only reason to go into it is for the money. Some people just want to be lawyers.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 07, 2008, 06:38:37 PM »

How does it drive? My bf test drove this a couple months ago and didn't like it--he said it felt like driving a'1'' cardboard box. He ended up getting a Mazda 3 (which I test-drove a year or so ago and didn't like).

Also, will I (and my SO) be comfortable in it? I'm 5'3''. My bf is 6' and doesn't fit in my Cavalier.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 07, 2008, 06:28:02 PM »
And I think all hybrids have over a six month waitlist. I know we all didn't want to hear that word in this nice off topic convo.

I apologize.

This is a valid point. Most of my driving is highway. Plus, if I'm going to spend the extra money, I'd rather have some nice features like a navigation system/sunroof.

I didn't do it.

I tried to get onto the Journal for the kind of law I want to do but didn't make it. To get on the regular journals you have to be in the top half of the class, and I didn't try b/c at the end of 1st semester I was bottom 1/3. I thought that was a lot of work for not even being able to have a spot unless I had a huge improvement in my grade. I ended up making it into the top 1/2 by the skin of my teeth anyway but still don't regret it.

I'm dual degree, so I figure I'm distinguishing myself by spending an extra year getting a Masters in the field. Plus, I can try to get on next year if I want. I'll have talked to friends who are on journals and hear about whether or not they like it.

I like reading law review articles for research. The idea of cite-checking one makes me want to poke my eyes out.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Car shopping
« on: July 07, 2008, 04:52:54 PM »
Thanks for the input!

My friend has a Jetta from 1999 and she absolutely loves it and hasn't had any major problems with. I get the feeling from the research I've done that they've gotten a lot better about reliability in the last few years. But I'll shy away from a car that most people say sucks.

My b/f is telling me to test drive the Ford Fusion & Chevy Malibu, but I think both of those cars look like something old people would drive. But I currently have 57k miles on my Cavalier and haven't had any maintenance problems yet--it's been really decent, so maybe I should consider some American cars.

I'm curious about the Civic Hybrid. At what point do Hybrids become economical--when gas is $4/gallon? $4.50?

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