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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:40:01 PM »
It is not a valid policy to have and it serves no purpose.  There is no justification for it.  I mean, most law schools (I wont name names) have inflated grading systems.  It's just a way of life, so I need to hear why it's a valid policy.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:29:25 PM »
Flunking out is flunking out.  Why should schools have an obligation to promote everyone they admit?  That's silly.  I can think of no justification for it.

Flunking out isn't the same no matter what.  For instance, one of my professors last semester told our class that we all deserved a B+ or above in his mind, so he shifted the curve as much as he could and complained to the administration, but he was nonetheless forced to give something like 30% of the students a B or below (including, yes, a forced number of C-).  A couple of C- grades could get someone kicked out of school -- not for failing to learn the material, but merely for writing a relatively poor exam.

And of course schools don't have an obligation to promote everyone, but they do induce people to take out exorbitant loans on the expectation that they will be able to get a JD if they work reasonably hard.  I'm surprised you don't see this as a problem.


I have to second, third and fourth your comments from personal experience.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:22:52 PM »
a 2.0 curve

!!!!

Yes, it is under review right now because you are truly messing with someone's livelihood.  I mean I know people who have a 2.00000 because of the "forced" curve, but had it been a regular ol' bell curve, they would have EASILY been at a 2.5.  Pure craziness!

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:13:57 PM »
That's why I said shouldn't ;)

:D

I still think you're painting with a pretty broad brush.  At schools with forced curves, people can get pretty low grades even if their work indicates that they understand the material.  I'm not saying everyone who gets kicked out has been screwed over (and I agree with Ian Ayres that law schools do a real disservice by admitting people who don't have the skills to graduate), but even I (that's right, Miss P!) have had a bad test day.  I can imagine someone younger with fewer skills, less confidence, and less support having more than one and still being perfectly qualified to practice law.

I go to one of those schools with a "forced" curve.  We are graded on a 2.0 curve and it's probably the worst thing that a school can do.  But, that information is probably not going to support a lawsuit in anyone's favor.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:04:11 PM »
wow...that is so wrong, yet so right lol

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:47:48 PM »
My law school has been sued as well as individual professors who f**ed up their ranks and grades.  AND the students won, all is not lost for those students.  I can give you the cites if you are interested in those cases a little later. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:39:47 PM »
Yep and I can tell you that from going to a 4th-tier, HBCU law school, it does seem that they take your money (or let's be real, the federal governments' money) and send you on your way.  I know people who were in summer school thinking they were all good and found out in the middle of the summer that they did not make the grades to continue.  Depending on your resident status, that's an easy 23K or 30K that you probably owe in loan debt.

We have several grads that pass the 100K threshold upon their first job offer, but it's about hustling and grinding hard.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:32:59 PM »
Lol I suppose this is true.  Funny anecdote: My Employment Law professor just moved here from Harvard.  On the first day she decides to cold call, the first person she called on said that she had had a family emergency and had tried to e-mail the prof.  So the prof goes to the next person.  This girl says that she hadn't bought the course packet yet.  The prof then asks if anyone has done the reading.  Even though most of us had, none of us wanted to get the first cold call question, and no one really wanted to gun.  She then yells, "Ahh!  Culture shock!!"  Lol we have a hearty laugh and proceed to discuss the reading amicably :D

lol.

i bet.. some of those knuckleheads get real serious when it's time to find a plan b... smh

1) Some try to to appeal their grades (most unsuccessfully) and wait on a decision.  I mean I saw more people putting more work into trying to appeal to get back into school than they did during the first year.  Pitiful!!


Getting kicked out after thousands and thousands of dollars of debt is a actually a real problem for a lot of black law students at lower-ranked schools.  :-\  I would put up a fight too.

Yea, thats true, I would probably put up a fight too, but you gotta wonder where was all that "fight" during the school year.  I can tell you where it was.  It was resting on the fact that a family member is a "legend" at the school, it was kicking it downtown Houston and throwing house parties.

I think u guys are assuming too much.  They got kicked out cause they didn't work hard?  Not always the case. 

I am not assuming too much when I know for a fact why a lot of the students were curved out after our 1L year.  We did have some that had extenuating circumstances and they are back this year.  But some people did not work hard, point...period...blank.  I happen to go to a school where the grade curve is super low and where people equate spending all day, everyday in the library as "working hard".

And what's funny Blk is that you CAN find there pictures on the net.  Not working too hard when I can chronogically look on the internet and see you tapping the bottle and twisting the cap at the club.  Not much to assume on that one lol

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:27:02 PM »
Lol I suppose this is true.  Funny anecdote: My Employment Law professor just moved here from Harvard.  On the first day she decides to cold call, the first person she called on said that she had had a family emergency and had tried to e-mail the prof.  So the prof goes to the next person.  This girl says that she hadn't bought the course packet yet.  The prof then asks if anyone has done the reading.  Even though most of us had, none of us wanted to get the first cold call question, and no one really wanted to gun.  She then yells, "Ahh!  Culture shock!!"  Lol we have a hearty laugh and proceed to discuss the reading amicably :D

lol.

i bet.. some of those knuckleheads get real serious when it's time to find a plan b... smh

1) Some try to to appeal their grades (most unsuccessfully) and wait on a decision.  I mean I saw more people putting more work into trying to appeal to get back into school than they did during the first year.  Pitiful!!


Getting kicked out after thousands and thousands of dollars of debt is a actually a real problem for a lot of black law students at lower-ranked schools.  :-\  I would put up a fight too.

Yea, thats true, I would probably put up a fight too, but you gotta wonder where was all that "fight" during the school year.  I can tell you where it was.  It was resting on the fact that a family member is a "legend" at the school, it was kicking it downtown Houston and throwing house parties.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:25:19 PM »
Yea, its real bad when you get kicked after your 2L year too.  That is exactly what happened to our SBA President and Vice Pres.  Got the boot for not keeping up a 2.0 GPA.  I was like damn and you are supposed to be the leaders of the law school.  And get this, this was like the 2nd time for both of them getting kicked out.  I think at that point, you just know that maybe the law is not for you lol

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