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Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Barry U. Wait List OR ?
« on: March 01, 2009, 11:03:01 PM »
This is a choice you have to make and with the right information you will be able to make that important choice. You will be attending the law school and getting a job after graudating from which ever law school you choose. I found the following website very helpful in making a law school decision.[url=http://]]]www.HowToPickALawSchool.comhttp://

They even let you submit questions they answer and post.And of course they have the newest law school statistics i.e. LSAT median, UGPA median etc.

What section is difficult for you to understand? I am simply asking for knowledge (from past experiences) pertaining to this type of decision. So you think I shouldn't attend law school for reasons to you not being able to understand my post? Or because of my choices?  I appreciate your comments.
I think it is important to be honest and frank because too many people hastily make the choice to go to law school. So, please don't take my comments as mean. Here's why I don't think you should go to law school: (1) these are not good schools (so bad that you aren't even guaranteed a legal job after graduating; (2) you are paying full tuition or close to it; (3) your writing ability is sub-par (your post with filled with incorrectly used cliches); and (4) there's no reason to believe you will do well once you are there because your GPA and LSAT are both low.

I just don't think this is a wise investment. I'm sure you have plenty of other talents and suggest that you pursue those rather than entering an already bloated legal market.

Sigh. I disagree with both idea and comments in this thread. There are two types of law students that do well, those that work very hard to do so, and those that work very hard to get into schools that make it easier for them to do well. The latter far outnumber the former, but there are former success stories. Only the OP knows what type of person he/she is, a fighter or a roll over and play dead (i.e. see students side of board: ďIím at top 20 had five bids OCI and did not get a job shoot self?Ē). Iím not saying the odds will not be against the OP, they certainly are. But there have been against many of us, yet two of us, myself and latinlord over came both to be successful. That has nothing to do with the school, it has to do with whatís inside the OP. And only the OP knows if they are enough of a fighter to beat the odds, most people arenít, but a few are. And for those few I say go where you can and make the best of it.

I fit all the things you say make a bad LS candidate. (1) I donít go to a good school, (2) I paid full tuition (and worked to offset that while going to LS), (3) I am a horrible writer, I have sever dyslexia, did not learn to read or write my own name till I was 10 years old, yet Iíve been published in law reviews several times, as well as local bar publications (4) I had horrible numbers, 150/2.9. So bad that I had to convince a school to let me try law classes before the JD, so I started an LLM/MLS and took advanced law classes against 2 and 3Ls under the same testing conditions without having the first year of law school, and I smoked them, getting a 3.65 GPA in 24 credits and taking highest grade in the class twice. That got me into the JD program, where Iím now ranked 13th in my class and have several job offerings for when I graduate in May with the JD and the LLM/MLS.
I would have been successful if I went to Cooley, or if I went to Yale, because, just like LatianLord, I was never going to roll over and play dead. Granted, people like me and LL are few and far between, but they are out there, and I will always encourage them to go for it, IF THEY ARE THAT TYPE, because if they listen to the common wisdom, mostly from the roll over type, they will never succeed. So the question is, OP are you willing to work that hard, to never give up, to pick yourself up off the ground, to have people say you canít make it but prove them wrong? If you can answer yes, honestly, to all those questions, then go for it. If you canít, then donít. Thr roll over type will get killed at schools like those. Either give up on law school or keep re-taking the LAST until you can get into a law school that will do more for you than you can do for yourself.

I appreciate all the guidance. I am a fighter! I am not the "roll over type." I understand I will have to climb many more rungs to get where I want to be, but I have been doing that from the start. During my undergraduate I worked an average of 50Hrs./Wk. People told me throughout my undergraduate major selection, Sports Management, that I was not going to get a job. During my time I scheduled meetings with V.P of Daytona Speedway, to basically sell myself for an internship that did not exist. With a successful sale, I created not only an internship, but a position that I ultimately have given up to pursue a law degree. So I have always had the drive and strong work ethic to do more than most. It will be hard, if it was easy everyone would do it.
I do not plan on graduating from Cooley. I do not plan on practicing in Michigan, but isn't it safe to say that many people attend a school that they transfer out of simply because they were not accepted to a school in the state they intend to practice? It is unfortunate I will not be able to wait and hear from all the schools I applied. I completed, on my part, all my applications by January 15, and still have not heard from all. I am hoping, with a recent reach out to the people at Barry U. that I will be accepted from the wait list prior to April 1, which is the deadline to secure a seat for Cooley, as well as the AAMPLE.

It's worth noting that the chances of getting through the AAMPLE program are roughly the same as those of actually graduating from Cooley and passing the bar (i.e. less than 50/50).

A much easier option would be to retake the LSAT and apply next year. Then get into those same schools with scholarship money.

Granted, but it will be my third time taking the LSAT. <12/08(145) 09/07(138)> Is the option of transferring that minuscule to consider? I succumbed to a low SAT score as well, so it would be safe to say I am not the best at standardized tests.

I strongly urge you to reconsider going to law school this year. These schools simply are not good law schools and it may be difficult for you to find employment. I don't know what you career goals are though.

What thing that concerns me is that you are considering a Michigan school and a Florida school and you really must ask yourself what your goals are after graduation. It is hard enough to find employment locally, but these schools certainly give their students access to the national legal market.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

The Michigan school is considered because I have been accepted, and with no other acceptances, and an hour glass running low, I must consider my options seriously. If I attend the Michigan school, I will transfer after 1L to a school in FL. I am on the waiting list for Barry, AAMPLE program for Nova, and "HOT Outta the INBOX" I just received an invitation to an AAMPLE program at Florida Coastal. With the same criteria as former.

So do I attempt the AAMPLE challenge, for a $3500 additional cost, or bust my butt during 1L and transfer to a more respected school. In addition, given the new info (Florida Coastal), which of the two AAMPLE program's should I choose?

Go with AAMPLE.


I have read some posts proclaiming the classes are really 3L, and unless you have the mind to put fourth in-depth rationale before entering law school, the participant would be frustrated come grade release time.

What section is difficult for you to understand? I am simply asking for knowledge (from past experiences) pertaining to this type of decision. So you think I shouldn't attend law school for reasons to you not being able to understand my post? Or because of my choices?  I appreciate your comments.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Barry U. Wait List OR ?
« on: February 27, 2009, 08:39:40 PM »
Both Nova and Thomas M. Cooley have a deadline of April 1. I have not heard from 4 schools, and my LSAT is 145, 138 and GPA is 2.99. Thank you for everyone's input and advice

I have been accepted to Thomas M. Cooley, and have been invited into the Nova Southeastern AAMPLE program. This program is designed to weed out diamonds from the rough by making the participants take two classes, of which at least a 2.5GPA and at most one C is need for admittance. The classes last one month, and cost $3500. I am having trouble deciding, as I am refering to "a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush." Now this saying doesnt help with rationale. Is the bird in hand raggedy or nice, with respect to the other two in the bush, even though I only have one becuase a waitlist from Barry is not likely to be decided upon by April 1. Any  thoughts, ideas, experiences on the AAMPLE program or either institutions?

From the Nova Southeastern Law AAMPLE website:

about 20%-50% of the students in any given year are successful. There is not a ďquotaĒ on the number of AAMPLE ģ students who will be admitted to the NSU Law Center. All those who achieve the cumulative G.P.A. of 2.50 or higheróof which both grades are a C or higher are offered admission into the NSU Law Center after successfully completing the additional Law Center requirements. The usual range, however, is approximately 20%-50% of enrolled AAMPLE ģ students.

The success rates for the following years of the Online AAMPLE ģ program are as follows:
Online        On campus
2005 - 11%    2005 - 0
2006 - 22%    2006 - 45%
2007 - 33%    2007 - 39%
2008 - 37%    2008 - 42%



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