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I was notified recently that I got into Chicago Kent. Since it is late in the cycle, I doubt I will get a scholarship. Assuming I don't, is Kent worth full price compared to DePaul with a 15K/yr scholarship. The GPA requirement is 3.3

I visited both schools and I feel that Kent has more to offer the IP student, like me, but employment research indicates that both programs place relatively equal numbers of grads into IP firms. I think it will be a little tougher for me to get ranked higher in the class at Kent than at DePaul (not that I won't have to work my ass off either way).

One nice thing about Kent too is that if I want to live farther outside the city, I can take the Metrarail commuter everyday and they are right next door to union station. At this point I am grabbing at whatever differences I can find. Ranking does not seem to play much of a role here. Even a big firm like Jones Day took practically the same from each school over the last five years (which is like 2 per year!) Although I feel like I would enjoy law school more at Kent, I can't ignore the additional 15K->45K in Kent worth 45K more than DePaul?

Where should I go next fall? / What should matter most and why
« on: February 26, 2009, 02:38:34 PM »
Going to school in an active legal market with more opportunities (chicago) or going to a school with a lower cost of living, better quality of life, more published faculty, overall better school?

For the purpose of this discussion, consider that the schools are tier 2, and the chicago school is bottom half tier 2 and the non-chicago school is upper tier 2

I am trying to get an idea of what should be more significant, the market location of a school, or the quality of the legal education iteself?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Where should I go next fall? / food for thought - how to pick a school
« on: February 24, 2009, 05:52:11 PM »
I know everyone has their opinion about rankings and how to determine where to go. I wanted to share what I have been doing and the results in case it may be helpful to someone.

My area of interest in law is fairly specific: I seek a career in biotech IP law. Backups would be general IP, health, or immigration law. But, since my advanced degree and background is biomedical research, biotech IP is my direction. I searched for a listing of biotech IP firms to start working with. From that list, I started looking at where the associates came from for those firms, and I limited the search to my schools of interest. I add to this the regions that I am interested in building my career, namely Chicago, but NY/DC possible too. Now, based on this preliminary search, it is becoming quite clear that a lower ranked, Tier 2 school in Chicago would provide better employment prospects for me than a top tier 2 (30 spots) school in Ohio (Cincinnati). Yet, most attorneys I have talked to hold on to the notion of going to the best school you can get into. But some do admit that this really only pertains to top 20 and tier differences. Within a tier, and outside the top 20, they say ranking matters less in their hiring. Class rank however, is more important in hiring - which is obvious. So if you find yourself in a situation where you got into a good, relatively highly ranked school that is not in a strong legal market, but you did get into a lower ranked school within a strong market, how would you decide? I haven't made up my mind yet, and I need to visit one of the schools, and maybe revisit the other one, but I know that I am giving this a lot more consideration than some think I should; many think I should not even be considering a school ranked 30 spots lower than Cincinnati (in this case Loyola and DePaul). My point here is to support the idea of contacting firms to find out where they hire from. Skepticism about the information law schools provide is a good thing. And while the more information you gather, the more of a headache you may get, the better your decision will ultimately be. Hope you find this helpful, but if not, sorry to have wasted your time. Cheers!

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Penn State
« on: February 23, 2009, 03:50:46 PM »
PSU is fine and will serve you well. The only real problem is the price. And Joe Pa. ;)

What strenghts does PSU have that you say it will serve one well? I have not found it to be particularly strong in employment prospects, even in NY/DC which is where they claim to be strong. However, my research was focused on IP firms, so maybe that's why I did not find much representation from PSU.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: December 2009 LSAT hopeful with some questions
« on: February 22, 2009, 08:52:01 PM »
Best of luck to your students.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: December 2009 LSAT hopeful with some questions
« on: February 22, 2009, 08:49:55 PM »
I have a 2.83 GPA and I am going to a great law school. 'nuff said.

Great law school with a 2.83 and a 161 means you're either black, Mexican, or lying.

None of the three, but thanks for sharing your prejudice.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: December 2009 LSAT hopeful with some questions
« on: February 21, 2009, 08:49:32 PM »
Definitely exhaust your independent study first. THen take the prep course.

This is like telling someone to spend a few months at the driving range and THEN hire a golf instructor.  Completely backwards. 

A prep-course is going to give you the basics.  It should come first.  Master the basics, get that strong foundation built, and then fine-tune it all with self-study until test day.

I disagree, and I spoke from experience. Study on your own first to learn your strengths/weaknesses, then try to improve as much as you can. say you improve from 149 to 157. If you are consistently scoring 157, then you know that your prepcourse should improve above that. If you take the prep course first and improve to 157, you would not have gained as much. This comes from experinece, but hey, do what you want. Golf analogy to LSAT? And if you expect a prepcourse to give you basics, you underestimate its purpose and value. For $1200+ it is supposed to help you improve your weaknesses and maintain your strengths, at least that is what the CAF does. Think about it. If you have not improved your strengths and minimized your weaknesses as much as you could, then you will ultimately not get as much out of it as you could, hence you will not score as high as you could on the lsat. I have a 2.83 GPA and I am going to a great law school. 'nuff said. Cheers, and good luck. :D

Studying for the LSAT / Re: December 2009 LSAT hopeful with some questions
« on: February 21, 2009, 04:03:39 PM »
As I have learned in this admissions cycle, nothing is more important than your LSAT score. Next would be GPA. You need to score as high as possible on the LSAT and an LSAT prep course is necessary. I could not afford one, but managed to raise my score from 144 to 161 by studying and analyzing my practice tests. Send me a message if you are interested in learning more about my study materials and strategy. Definitely exhaust your independent study first. THen take the prep course. If you figure out your strengths and what does or does not work for you, then you can use the resources of the prep course to fine tune your weak area. Best of luck.

Acceptances / uc
« on: February 20, 2009, 05:48:12 PM »
I just got an email that I am accepted to University of Cincinnati (ranked 52). I also just got an email from an IP biotech atty (what I wish to become) at an excellent firm who said, the key factor to getting a law job outside a t14 school, is your class rank. Hands down.  He also said that firms have favorites and do hire locally. So you also have to consider where you want to work and live.

Given this, let me pose this question. I like a city environment with lots to do, so Chicago beats Cinci. I want to go to a strong legal market, so again, Chicago beats Cinci. I want to go to the highest ranked school I can get into (consistently higher ranked) and that I can be in the top 10% of the class. So, I would think that Cinci is better for this (I am close to their 75% LSAT). Plus, I should get in state tuition. I have a 15K/yr scholarship to DePaul in Chicago, which has a recognized IP program, but poor job placement (IMO). Call me crazy, but don't you think Cinci is the best choice here?

General Board / Re: Median at T20 wanting to do patent law
« on: February 20, 2009, 04:25:32 PM »

Yes, the Loyola PLIP is strongly recommended.  If you aren't landing anything good after callbacks from that, AIPLA has another interview event in late October. 

I am a prospective student having a 15K/yr scholarship to DePaul and maybe something to Loyola. So if it is much cheaper for me to go to DePaul, is Loyola still a better option because of the PLIP? DePaul has a ranked IP program and, at least on paper, seems stronger for IP than Loyola.

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