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A lot of school slots -- and scholarship money -- is given out before Feb. 1.
I'll turn myself in before the grammar police catch should say "are given out."

Once you either take the LSAT or get a good idea from the practice test what you're going to score, you can look at the official LSAC guide to get a good idea of what schools are most likely within reach:
Or, you can always look at, although the numbers on the site are all self-reported:
As the previous post suggested, it's best to take the June or Oct. LSAT.  A lot of school slots -- and scholarship money -- is given out before Feb. 1.
Some people say the prep courses work wonders.  Others say it's a complete waste of money, and that you'd be just as well off purchasing the study books.  (I know someone who spent $2500 on a course and still didn't get accepted anywhere, and someone else whose eventual score after taking a class was almost ten points higher than his practice score).

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Undecided - Stetson or Franklin Pierce
« on: February 17, 2009, 06:40:39 PM »
Since I haven't attended either, I won't waste your time with information you probably already saw on the Web site.  However, I have looked in depth at both of them.  Franklin Pierce has a very highly ranked intellectual property program, on par with the big boys; it seems to be the main draw for a big chunk of the students.  The only other law school I can remember that was ranked as well in IP that wasn't an overall top-20 school was the University of Houston.  Stetson really pushes its advocacy program and its mock trial team, which are supposed to be among the best in the nation.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Undecided - Stetson or Franklin Pierce
« on: February 17, 2009, 09:34:15 AM »
I can't speak for the schools, but Clearwater is a nice part of Florida; the weather is superb during the school year, except for a late or early hurricane or two.  The Tampa area doesn't see the awful crime you'd see in other Florida cities, and, if memory serves, it has one of the higher proportions of younger people.
From late Oct. to April, it's winter weather in New Hampshire.  Of course, many people like that.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Harvard (no $) vs Michigan (Darrow)
« on: February 16, 2009, 07:19:46 PM »
$235,000 is a lot of debt.  My house isn't even worth that much.
However, and I can't believe I'm saying this, it is Harvard.  If there was anyplace that could open any door, that would be it.  I'm sure Michigan's a great school, but you could trade on the Harvard name your entire life, even in situations with people who know nothing of law school rankings.

I would advise against it.  It could be interpreted as a bribe -- which, let's be frank, it certainly sounds like -- which could actually make some on the admissions committee question your character fitness.
Judging from what I see on the LSAC UGPA guide and, having those kind of numbers should still get you into many tier 2's...even without a little donation.

1) I second what Crimson:devil(red) said.  Babies are wonderful, but they are SO much higher maintenance in their first year.

2) At this point in the admissions cycle, a lot of places have already filled up and handed out the best scholarship money.  Many schools are just doing leftovers.  You'll have a better odds starting early the next year.

3) Relax, as you have plenty of time to prepare for the June LSAT.  Most people show the most improvement working hard on the logic games ("Five people sitting at a table in different order each hour...").

I'm sure there is an overall difference in salaries and the quality of opportunities between a top 50 school and a T4 school.  However, is that difference going to be meaningful for someone who would say, finish right around the 50th percentile at a T1, but would finish in the top 5% at a T3 or T4?  Only a few people at a school ranked 50 or so get to work at the largest, high-profile law firms.
I got in at a couple of Tier 2's as well as the Tier 1's, but the cost for those will be just as high as the Tier 1's.


You just described how you had a hard time getting a job out of undergrad because nobody had heard of your small liberal arts college. It's the same thing in law. Why in the world would somebody hire you from a law school that they've never heard from, has ZERO alumni representing the school in the firm, and has a bad reputation?

People will continue to ask the tier 1 or tttt for $$ question. Of those that go tttt, some will make it. Some. I'm talking a very small percentage.
Please allow me to turn the assumption on its head.  I certainly wouldn't want to go to a school that has terrible long-term job prospects over one that has good ones if I could afford the better one (which, frankly, is an issue itself).  What I am wondering is whether the better school really has the recruiting pull that everyone seems to think it does, and if so, does that extend to people who are not in the top 5% or so?  By all rights, my undergraduate school should have had people beating the door down to hire all the smart and mature people going there, but it didn't.  If the recruiting really isn't all it's cracked up to be, all I'll have accomplished is acquiring a zillion dollars of debt.  People on this board seem pretty sure that higher rank always equals better prospects, but experience has made me wary.  I'm sure that folks at, say, Harvard have firms lining up around the block to hire them for high-paying jobs, but what about Tulane, Wake Forest, or Temple?  Looking at some average salary data and hiring prospects between schools in lower T2 and T4 hasn't been reassuring.

I've been accepted to a few (30's & 40's) Tier 1 and high Tier 2 schools, which I'm thrilled about, as well as to some Tier 4 schools.  I have not received any scholarships to the Tier 1 & 2 places, but I have some nice offers from the Tier 4 schools.  I would have to take on a lot of debt to pay for the better schools.  I know the conventional answer is "the better schools will be worth it in the long run," but I'm really not so sure.
One, I'm older and I won't have as long of a career to make up for the debt.  Two, my undergraduate experience has left a bad taste in my mouth.  I went to a small, fairly expensive liberal arts school on the assumption that the school's reputation would trump larger public universities. The school was highly ranked in the press (#1 for our region), but it wasn't Ivy League.  When I graduated, I (as well as almost all of my friends) had a terrible time finding a job.  People outside of my area had never heard of it, and simply assumed it was a party school.  Worse, the college's recruiting help was nonexistent.  I would've been much better off going someplace cheap that at least had some name recognition, if only for its sports team.
Advice, anyone, preferably based on real-world hiring?

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