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There are threshholds in grades.

I really don't know why you think this.

And the more outside of a schools range you are, the more your LOR's, as well as ALL of your "soft factors", matter.

Or this.

They won't admit it, but unless you are a legacy or a URM, you need a 3.2, so they have a "preferred" cutoff...but they bend it for some.   

Or this.

But we usually don't agree and I don't see a need to bury this thread in pointless arguments.  OP can decide for herself who she wants to listen to.

Because I have done extensive research and seen grids on the admissions patterns the tops schools have. They all claim not to have formal cutoffs, but most have soft cutoffs. Yale has rarely admitted ANYONE with a GPA below 3.2...go to their site and you will see it. If you want, I can send you a copy of the information I look at. But the important thjing for you to know is that I do not talk out of my ass. This info can be backed up with hard data.

As for my remark on "soft factors", I am living proof of this. I was nearly admitted to Columbia, Vanderbilt and Iowa the first time I applied...with a 145 LSAT back in 2004! URM or not, that's extraordinary. That's how I know. And I can show you copies of my waitlist letters from that year. I know what I know.

Let me give you some advice:

You need to quit rejecting everything I say simply on the basis that my opinions tend to be in the minority. That is what we refer to on the LSAT as "Flawed Reasoning".  

LawDog3 consistently spouts opinions that are out of the norm for me or anyone I know. Clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about. I know some very astute people and they rarely, if ever, say the things he does.

Which of the following answers identifies the FIVE Flaws committed by the respondent (bl825) in the passage above?[/b]

A) Cites a sample that is likely to be unrepresentative
B) Assumes arguments to be circumspect on the basis that they are outside of the norm
C) Takes for granted that people are always honest in the opinions they reveal
D) Neglects to consider the possibility that the subject can offer evidence for his claims
E) Assumes bl825's opinion of the reliability of others to be reliable as fact.



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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Columbia or Stanford
« on: April 29, 2009, 12:12:10 AM »
Stanford. If I could have gone there, I would have. I guess Columbia will have to do. ;)

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bl, this lady had a 3.11.  It's not stellar (especially among people that qualify for the Ivy League), but I would argue that there's a world of difference between a 3.11 and a 2.7.  Even with the better GPA, she still got rejected from most of the truly high-end full time programs.
Oh, well, I suppose all you need is one acceptance, right?  I'll stop crushing dreams.

I mean yes, GULC would be a bit of a reach, but I still think it's worth trying for.  :)

But your point is well taken: target range is slightly lower.

Swampfox must remember that NO TWO CANDIDATES are alike, even if their numbers match. With a 3.11, OP might be a much better candidate than your lady example b/c of intangibles, essays and LOR's. And if OP had a 3.11, I would tell him to apply to absolutely any school, though Yale would be tough. They won't admit it, but unless you are a legacy or a URM, you need a 3.2, so they have a "preferred" cutoff...but they bend it for some.   

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I think that a new LSAT that was one or two points higher or a new LOR would have the same effect as some new grades, which is to say that I think they will have a very slight effect.

I disagree for this reason: you must think not just of improvement, but "relative improvement". One point added to a 171 is not only unhelpful, it's a complete waste of time. On the other hand - and I am not saying the OP NEEDS to do this, only recommending it - new, more recent and more stellar grades will force an adcom to look beyond (not ignore altogether) his GPA, especially if OP has really challenged himself. There's a world of difference between a 3.0 GPA and a 2.7. Those are two completely different people and it's not even close, all else held equal. There are threshholds in grades. The first is 2.5, then there's 3.0, 3.2 (that's a really important one b/c is a B+ average on a 4.0 scale) and then there's 3.5 and 4.0, of course. The closer OP can get to 3.0, even if it's not calculated formally, the (much) better he looks. But from 170 to 171? Pointless b/c both scores are in about the 97th or 98th%.

GWU Dean of Admissions Robert Stanek says that students who screw up their first two years but rebound and can explain the difference impress him. Other deans concur. In Princeton Review's Essays that Made a Difference, for example, he cites a specific example, and tell how he would view that student.

Another thing, last year, I was turned down by some schools that admitted me this year. The difference? A strongly worded LOR from the non-profit I worked at for eight years. I applied at the same time, and the schools knew about my new score last summer. LOR's make a difference...how much depends on the school and the strength of your letter. It also depends on the context in which it's written. For example, if it's written right after a new LSAT score (5+ point improvement) or newly impressive grades, and it's strongly worded and rings true, you had best believe it will make a difference.

And the more outside of a schools range you are, the more your LOR's, as well as ALL of your "soft factors", matter.
 
 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Start studying for June LSAT now?
« on: April 28, 2009, 11:12:23 PM »
is it true that if you take the lsat more than once than both scores are averaged together?

Not necessarily. In fact, most schools will take the highest score, even if you only improve by a few points. NYU, UW-Seattle and a couple of others are still doing it the old way, but they take it case-by-case.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Start studying for June LSAT now?
« on: April 28, 2009, 10:09:55 PM »
If you're disciplined, it can be done. In fact, you might have a funner time when the test rolls around b/c you are more amped-up and used to focusing more. Certainly, your endurance will be up to par if you're doing 5 hours per day instead of two or three. With a 162 diagnostic, a 170 in seven weeks is NOT out of the question. People have done more with less time.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: BAD EXPERIENCE WITH TEMPLE
« on: April 28, 2009, 06:03:54 PM »
I got an email from a law school (I don't remember which one). It said, "Dear Accepted Student," and included a bunch of information. I only applied to one LS, so it made no sense. I emailed them back and they basically said "oops! - wrong address." Seriously, I didn't even apply!

Did they ID you through CRS? I got letters from UGA, Wake, Indiana, Minnesota, GMU, and UW-Seattle last summer saying I would likely get in...but not that I was accepted.

Phoenix School of Law is admitting people strictly on numbers, as is FAMU, was it one of them? They offered me full scholarships without me even doing any essays. 

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I think it's better to be in law school in a northern city, which is why I turned down the southern schools. I can't imagine being in Miami or L.A. and trying to study with Halle Berry and Eva Mendez lookalikes sitting on each side of me, half-naked, no less! I'd go nuts. Not that the women in NY are exactly dogs, but you study indoors and everyone is fully clothed. no thanks, I'll take the cold, at least until I'm ballin' and driving my convertable Benz. ;)   

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: New York Law or Franklin Pierce?
« on: April 28, 2009, 05:47:13 PM »
NYLS, every day and twice on Sunday. ;D

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: T3 & T4 Rankings?
« on: April 28, 2009, 05:43:47 PM »
Albany, Chapman, Howard, NYLS, Syracuse, Vermont, Pacific, William Mitchell, Southwestern, Wayne State...just remember those names...

Yeah... that's not it at all.

Here's the accident from last year, 4 items down:

http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2008/03/index.html

lol. Like I said...Albany, Chapman, Howard, NYLS, Syracuse, Vermont, Pacific, William Mitchell, Southwestern, Wayne State...just remember those names...

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