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Race-blind or not, I would have gotten into top schools...for the record.

But now it can haunt you forever and you can grow to be bitter about it like Clarance Thomas.

I knew Law Dog was a Tom. I knew it.

A Tom. How does my saying that I was qualified regardless make me a Tom? You are misinterpreting that. All it means is that I have a strong record. These White people don't think I'm a Tom, I know that. Ask any of them if they think I "love" White people more than I love Blacks. They will laugh at you.

Race-blind or not, I would have gotten into top schools...for the record.

I actually don't believe that you've gotten into top schools anyway, so it's kind of a moot point.

Though to be fair, you've been noticeably less ridiculous lately.

The credited response is no--no top schools with 3.58, 163.

You say that without looking at a transcript, resume or letter. You've never read a siongle essay, but you can suspect that I do not have the qualifications for top law schools.

That shows how little you actually know about admissions (Law or other). Or, maybe you are just reeeeaaaallllyyy jealous.

Whether you like it or not, almost any URM with a 163 can get into a top school. My 163 on the LSAT is like your 170; it puts me in the 98th% (or better, I think) for URM's. Do you realize that? And not many URM's apply to law school. Top schools want top talent, so they must evaluate URM's against each other, not just the general pool.

And my record looks extremely strong. It would be downright irresponsible for an adcom anywhere to look at a GPA and LSAT and make a decision on those alone. Let's take a closer look, shall we? Since you love rankings so much, I have a 3.587 Cum from a top-10 Public Undergrad and a University ranked #59 in the WORLD, one that really should be ranked higher. My drama degree is from the #4 program in the country, and My GPA within that major was 3.8, and that excludes the straight-A's I received in my acting courses.

What I have done isn't even remarkable, considering that people have gotten into top schools with a less stellar accomplishments.

The first thing you need to know is that I write better than 75% of the people who apply to law school, thus, I was able to make Vandy's waitlist in my first time out with a 145!

I am from the west coast, applying to mostly east coast schools, that's geographic diversity, as well as racial. I am an older student; that's another type of diversity. I am an actor; that's professional background diversity.

Moreover, my best grades were in my last two years, where I held a 3.72 average. I completed my first two years in '96 and '97,  and many law schools won't even count grades that are 10 years old. That means the grades that held all of the weight came from 2001-2003. I also took my most difficult courses during that same period; all were advanced, and almost all had difficult writing requirements. I made the Dean's List and Vice President's list every eligible term. Remember, an upward grade trend is compelling. On top of that, my best grades were in Science, Mathematics, Political Science and English. I received a double-degree.

I also excelled in philosophy and psychology, courses notoriously difficult, yet recommended for law. Six of my last 15 courses required term papers of at least seven pages. I worked full-time (+), managing a non-profit and as an account executive (where I was a top salesman). In fact, I have been a top salesman at all of my jobs and received numerous awards. Those awards are documented, and my SIX very strong letters of recommendation have come from faculty or employers who had a big part in my receiving those awards.

I overcame socio-economic hardship, from a single-parent home; neither parent graduated from high school. I have received numerous civic awards, which I will NOT name b/c they are on the 'net. I have served as a motivational speaker, touring lower-income middle schools for several years. I co-directed a date-rape and domestic violence project. And I have performed as an actor in theater (at major regional theaters, I might add) in one Off-Broadway show (correction). Remember, I majored in Drama. I have also done television commercials. More professional diversity. 

There's much more that I could mention. Like the fact that I was a non-scholarship division-I athlete as a freshman (basketball).

And if you look at other T14 URM's on this site (there's a post on African American T14 admits), you will notice others with grades and GPA's similar to mine. In fact, someone got into Harvard with a 156. And I happen to know of people who got in with far less impressive records than mine.

And my posts are always on-point. If they weren't, you wouldn't be stupid enough to respond to them, now would you?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: UNC, W&L or Vandy (wait-list)
« on: May 04, 2009, 09:46:52 PM »
In order to have a realistic chance at Vandy, I would need to register for the June LSAT, prep like crazy and increase my score 3-4 points. 

UNC. Not many people will be getting in off of waitlists this year.

Minority Topics / Re: Minority at Majority White Institutions
« on: May 03, 2009, 11:03:31 PM »
I'm white, but I've never had a problem being around groups that were all or almost all black/latino/asian.

That's b/c people of color are more accepting. Furthermore, we live in a world where we must interact with non-minorities, whether we like it or not. Many Whites, on the onther hand, attempt to live as though they do not have to effectively deal with people of color, and a lot of them succeed at it. People of color can be "prejudiced", but they cannot be "racist".

Being Racist means having the socioeconomic and political power to exclude someone from crucial aspects of daily survival, such as employment or housing. By and large, people of color have no such power, and, as collectives, certainly lack that power completely on a large scale.

Whites, on the other hand, have the power to deny access to any institution, and do so at-will, despite laws enacted to counteract the structural imbalance.

Minority Topics / Re: Minority at Majority White Institutions
« on: May 03, 2009, 10:56:05 PM »
Not about skin color but arguably similar, as a practicing Jew I knew I wouldn't be comfortable at a school that didn't have a decent-sized practicing population.

Jews are White people. Not quite the same thing.

Minority Topics / Re: Minority at Majority White Institutions
« on: May 03, 2009, 10:54:04 PM »
Are there an underlying anxiety that is associated with attending a predominately white institution with the student and staff majority white?

 ***DISCLAIMER: This is not to be misconstrued, offensive, derogatory, or racist in any way.  If you do reel that this is in any way offensive, derogatory, or racist then you may want to ask yourself why YOU interpret this question in that way.***

It is actually a real concern that some minorities do not either recognize or gets misdiagnosed (whether merely dismissed as a more familiar symptom of general anxiety caused by other random things).  Regardless, those who do acknowledge, yet maybe not a readily explanation for these feelings, this post is for you (and I to an extent).  Do you have any anxiety whatsoever about this? 

Are you asking if there is a specific psychological condition that is attributable to this situation?  I would say that this is very common in any situation where there is something that makes you stand out from the majority.  

As a white person, I've found myself myself in a group of all or predominantly minorities and have found the following to be true.  When it's a varied  mix (Blacks, Arabs, Caucasians, Asians, etc.), I may notice I'm the only white but it doesn't bother me.  If it's nearly all the same racial group but myself, I do feel a bit uncomfortable because clearly I am the odd man out.

And yes, depending on the "vibe" I am feeling from them, that discomfort may be in the form of real anxiety.  Not simply because of the racial make-up of the group itself, but because clearly I am the minority in the situation and the bad-mojo I may be perceiving (e.g. a street gang vs. young republicans).

But more importantly, this isn't even a racial thing, as it is about just being different.  As a fat person, I've found myself feeling uncomfortable when I'm around a lot of skinny people.  That may sound like it's insignificant compared to a racial difference, but realize also that growing up, and even today, I've been the subject of scorn ranging from just dirty looks to being physically assaulted (especially as a child) because I was overweight.  To a similar extent, I have had the same feelings and experiences by being the odd-man out when being the lone liberal in a group of conservatives (and vice-versa, I tend to play the contrarian politically), and the lone man in a group of women (especially when they are scorned angry women), and the lone atheist (and quite vocal) in a group of believers.  

In short, you might be surprised that a lot of people feel the same way but for their own personal reasons.  

I concur on the "fat prejudice", for sure. But those other life choices are just that; if people don't agree with those things, and it makes you an outsider, you need new "friends". It's their problem, not yours. But fat prejudice is something that is seldom discussed, yet very polarizing. And it leaves many beautiful people out in the social cold, b/c, contrary to popular belief, many overweight people don't even like overweight people. 

Law School Applications / Re: does late waitlist=early admit?
« on: May 03, 2009, 12:03:09 AM »
Sometimes beiong waitlisted all summer may give you an edge in the next cycle, but it sometimes won't. I was waitlisted late by Stanford and Vanderbilt one year and the next years, it did nothing for me. Vandy waitlisted me again and Stanford rejected me in January. I made the mistake of not changing anything the next year, figuring that I just needed to ride it out. I thought I was a shoe-in. I was wrong.

The key is to make sure you behave as though you were rejected by these schools, that is, come back next year even stronger, and apply earlier. If you apply early but without changing anything, you are likely to be disappointed. adcoms may think you're taking an admit for granted b/c you know you were a good candidate the year before. And waitlisted candidates ARE good candidates.

Write a better essay, make your resume as organized and well-worded as you can, and, in the case of Northwestern, Texas and Vandy, interview if you didn't before.

Ok if you have clicked on this link then you have the same questions and feel the same way as other 145's-149's.  The feeling is gut wretching.  The one question is who the hell will let us throw the doors with these scores.  This thread is for you.  I will begin by stating that I have scored a 146 on the December 08 LSAT.  I have a 4.0 gpa, however this has not been calculated by LSAC or LDAS (whichever does the calculations).  I have several "perks" on my resume/personal statement to include military disabled veteran, small business owner, and co-founder of a non-profit.  I say all this to say that in the end my LSAT is a 146.  This is all that may really matter.  However, I have not been admitted or denied as of yet, so I do not know if my "perks" mean anything.  Speaking of admittance this thread is made for a point of reference for all of us in the lower 30 (percent that is).  As always, as I am sure you have heard, your gpa will be a variable as well as your personal statement etc.  With that said please feel free to post your local law school that will accept us for info purposes. 

In Texas if your score is between 145- 149 you will have a moderate chance at the following:

Texas Southern U.,
South Texas (slightly less),
Saint Mary (San Antonio),
Texas Weselyan (Ft. Worth). 

In the neighboring states of Texas you will have a moderate chance at

Loyola Uni in New Orleans
Oklahoma City Uni

The first time I took the LSAT (mistakenly did so with with no prep), I scored a 145. I was still able to woo Vandy, Columbia and Iowa, as well as Chicago-Kent and San Francisco into waitlisting me that year. And my Cum-GPA is 3.58, albeit in a double-degree. Someone with a 4.0/146 should do even better, esp. given your "perks", aka, "soft factors". Something isn't right in the applications, LOR's or essays. Take everything apart and re-do it. There's absolutely no reason anyone with a 4.0 should EVER have to settle for going to a TTT school! Ever! TTT/T4 schools should have ZERO students w/4.0's. Re-take the test and re-write your essays.

Don't mean to bump an old thread unnecessarily but is everyone's cycle over (at least t14 wise)?
I'm only in at GULC. Waiting for the rest...


Waitlisted, Pending or "On Hold" at several others

You should be fine; I know an individual who scored a 156 and was admitted into HLS. Keep your head up, nobody in LSD is on any admissions commitee.

That's true. I know that has happened quite a few times. But man, I am still trippin' about how you read me my rights earlier. But it's all good. You are a stand up G, I can respect that.  ;)

Stand up G? Really?

No'me sum...(we pound fists)

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