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General Board / Re: Definitely lame but sincere Top 10 percent question
« on: January 13, 2009, 09:27:16 PM »
Any insight on whether most employers are sticklers to this rule or have some slight flexibility... say you are Top 12% or even Top 15%, are you truly truly SOL?  I'm a 1L right now and am slightly disappointed at falling just south of making it into The Magic Club.  Honestly though, in this economy and my particular market (T2 at a Bay Area school) I'm not even sure Top 10% at some of the higher ranked schools is good enough to feel comfy about a job.

I honestly don't know the answer to this question!  Maybe that is why I am not in The Club. 

Congratulations, you're a d-bag! 

harsh and unnecessary.  she might have been using the term tongue-in-cheek.

There was nothing "tongue-in-cheek" about the OP's post. The OP is a d-bag. 

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General Board / Re: Definitely lame but sincere Top 10 percent question
« on: January 13, 2009, 08:40:30 PM »
Any insight on whether most employers are sticklers to this rule or have some slight flexibility... say you are Top 12% or even Top 15%, are you truly truly SOL?  I'm a 1L right now and am slightly disappointed at falling just south of making it into The Magic Club.  Honestly though, in this economy and my particular market (T2 at a Bay Area school) I'm not even sure Top 10% at some of the higher ranked schools is good enough to feel comfy about a job.

I honestly don't know the answer to this question!  Maybe that is why I am not in The Club. 

Congratulations, you're a d-bag! 

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3L job search / Re: 3L With No Job Experience!!!
« on: January 11, 2009, 02:26:00 PM »
Two separate ideas.

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3L job search / Re: 3L With No Job Experience!!!
« on: January 11, 2009, 01:38:49 PM »
This wasn't a troll. Foonberg's book is a classic.

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LSAT horror stories / Re: Need some advice
« on: January 07, 2009, 09:32:25 PM »
Hello,

Heres the deal, I took the LSAT twice now, in June and October.  I got a 148 in June and a 150 in October.  Now here i am.  I am quite discouraged and frustrated. but I dont want to give up.  That is unlike me.  I was averaging mid-150's leading up to the october test and i failed despite "improving" my score from June.

The question I have is...should I retake it...again? Will this look really bad to schools?  Or will it look as if I am persistent?  I really want to get in a aba approved school. But now I dont know if I can.  Someone please help me out.

respect
wally

A 150 will get you in at quite a few low ranked schools. IMO, however, they are not worth going to. Most people who go to TTT and TTTT schools have a very difficult time finding work. Added to that is the fact that the legal market is doing very poorly right now. Even students from T schools are having a hard time finding paying work.

Not everyone has what it takes. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is one of the few barriers to entry that the profession has.

If you can do well enough on the LSAT to get into a TT I would encourage it. But if all you can muster is a TTT or TTTT, please think carefully before doing it. (You won't.)

 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UF 3L - Will Answer Questions
« on: January 07, 2009, 09:11:49 PM »
Howdy,

I am the few, the proud, the jaded, the bored. I am a 3L with a job lined up and not a whole lot to do this coming semester. I remembered this board provided some solace back in the day, so I thought I'd give a little back before the 2100+ billables kick in, and/or I get occupied by the Gators in the BCS championship.

Some quick preliminaries:

1. Yes, I am a 3L at UF.
2. Yes, I was at the Ol' Miss game, and that missed extra point haunts me to this day (although I guess it ended up okay).
3. Yes, the economy is really, really bad, and I still feel lucky to have hitched on with a great firm after 2L. It has been pretty brutal for 3Ls who didn't have a position or 2Ls this year.
4. If you are in-state for tuition, UF is a great school to go to. They are cutting their student body (total number of incoming students) which means they will be more selective.

Okay- I'm open for other questions.

Thanks for answering questions.

You say that UF is cutting their incoming class size. However, hadn't they just enlarged it from 200 to 400 a couple years ago? What size are they targeting?

Also, not that I care that much about rankings, but Florida is currently on the border between T and TT.  Any word around the school as to whether UF will be able to stay in the top 50?

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 07, 2009, 02:25:14 AM »
Chevelle,

I'm really surprised that you only got two OCI interviews. How many firms came to your school? Can you sit for the patent bar with your degree?

Hang in there. With those grades and that experience, I'm sure something will open up. Although it might be at a much smaller firm than you'd like and not in patent law. Still, firm experience is probably critical at this point if that's where you want to be upon graduation. I'd avoid public interest like the plague unless you absolutely must. Firms are weird about it. If they see it on your resume they'll assume that that's what you really want to do and that you're not cut out for firm life.   


I think you're wrong about this.  I'm pretty sure Chevelle is a 3L looking for post-grad jobs.  If she wasn't planning on going into public interest work, she likely has private sector work all over her resume.  And most firms like people with some PI experience. 

ETA: Good luck, Chevelle!  You have a very impressive record.

I didn't realize she was a 3L. Still, I stand by my statement that public interest is not a good idea if Chevelle wants to do patent law. It's just not a step in the right direction. The idea that a firm is going to hire Chevelle to do patent law after doing a year or two of public interest is wishful thinking.

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 06, 2009, 09:48:35 PM »
Chevelle,

I'm really surprised that you only got two OCI interviews. How many firms came to your school? Can you sit for the patent bar with your degree?

Hang in there. With those grades and that experience, I'm sure something will open up. Although it might be at a much smaller firm than you'd like and not in patent law. Still, firm experience is probably critical at this point if that's where you want to be upon graduation. I'd avoid public interest like the plague unless you absolutely must. Firms are weird about it. If they see it on your resume they'll assume that that's what you really want to do and that you're not cut out for firm life.   

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 06, 2009, 07:49:08 PM »
Hey...I am pretty bummed out too.

I am near the top 10% at a T2 (for now, I have not gotten my grades from last semester yet, and I'm sure I bombed something) and I am on the editorial board of law review. I have sent out lots of stuff, only to get rejections. I have had two interviews. One was in September through my school's OCI and I got the rejection letter around Thanksgiving. The other interview was mostly an informational interview, as the firm had no open positions. Other than that, I haven't even gotten any interviews.

I just want to work at a small to mid-size firm. Maybe many of them in my area have not started hiring, I don't know.

I am just really depressed about everything. :(

Sorry to hear about the job hunt. What have you been doing? Have you been sending out mass mailers or more target specific cover letters?

Good luck

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 04, 2009, 04:06:25 PM »
I guess this can be flamed b/c it is basically me having a pity party for myself. But here goes. I am near the top 10% of my class at a T4 school and do not have a job yet. I am involved in moot court and the works. I just had a callback interview for a firm a week and a half ago. The interview with all three interviewers went very well. I just got a rejection letter from them, 1 day before Christmas. So I am bummed.

I know it could be worse,and there are certainly lawyers and law students in this economy that are hurting worse than I am, but seriously could they have waited until after Christmas? So yeah, I'm bummed. If anyone else is in the same boat, feel free to vent.

I feel for the OP. There seem to be several problems at issue. With some 200 ABA accredited law schools and bar exams that merely test for competence, there is almost no barrier to entry to the profession. Law schools are cash cows for universities, so schools refuse to be upfront about the realities of the job market. Each year more and more JDs get pumped out with nowhere to go. It would be easy to say that the OP should have done his/her research before attending a Tier 4 school, but the truth is that honest information about the legal market is hard to come by. Although I go to a higher ranked school than the OP, I would be a hypocrite if I faulted the OP for making the decision to  go to a Tier 4. I too was ill informed about the job market when I started school.

I just hope that this sort of information will become more available for potential law students. They need to know that attending lower tier schools may not be the best idea.

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