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Law School Applications / Re: OSU Moritz Visitation Days Invitation
« on: April 03, 2009, 11:19:47 PM »
I am not sure what they mean by that email.  I received an acceptance email.  I am still holding out for other schools but it looks like I will be headed there as well.  Keep me posted if your actually accepted or not.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 08:53:47 PM »
Kohinoor
I get your point.  The truth of the matter is SYN and maybe even you will have a lucrative position upon graduation.  You may be in the position to show up, do your job, and go on vaction half the year.  However, the majority of graduates will not be in that position.  Just as SYN states that my position does not represent most students, your position and his does not.  There are so many seats in the selected schools that are selective recruited from.  That leaves a lot more people pounding the pavement or settling for less than what they may have been lead to believe.  What I am trying to advance is for most people if their motivation is nothing more than money, what will drive them after graduation when the job does not materialize, or they settle for 50k a year?  It may be safe for you to openly go to law school strictly for monetary reasons.  I just would advise anyone to go for these reasons.  As for being a face in corporate, that may be the attitude that is prevalent in field of law.  That does not hold true for all facets of lawyering.  Also may be I am too idealistic.  I mistakenly thought that most people held this view for going to law school. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:44:33 PM »
SYN-
At any rate you are surely right that most people may not be in my position.  However, I will not discount the opinions raised by you or others that have been selected to attend one of the better institutions.  If I find myself in the postion to transfer, as this would be a viable option to excercise for people with my numbers, I will more than likely do so.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:17:25 PM »
Not everyone works in public interest or for the poor plaintiff.  A lot of people work for companies and firms that usually divorce "justice" from winning.  Everyone I interviewed with clearly knows I am in it for the money (because most of them are too), and they could care less.  I'm not a horrible person, I will be an ethical lawyer, and I will probably be a damn good lawyer. I would just be a damn good something else if it paid better.
I do not think a person can be ethical and divorce law at the same time.  Those boundaries will eventually cross.  Also I am sure you actually like law, otherwise your premise will not sustain you in the field very long.  You may make loads of money, but if you’re not doing it for the right reasons, i.e. to help others, then you will run yourself out.  I say this because you may in the end be a great attorney and your employers will love you.  Your conscience on the other hand will not be as loving.  I speak of this after knowing people who have travelled where you excitedly are embarking.  I take issue with your premise for being an attorney. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:15:23 PM »
Not everyone works in public interest or for the poor plaintiff.  A lot of people work for companies and firms that usually divorce "justice" from winning.  Everyone I interviewed with clearly knows I am in it for the money (because most of them are too), and they could care less.  I'm not a horrible person, I will be an ethical lawyer, and I will probably be a damn good lawyer. I would just be a damn good something else if it paid better.
I do not think a person can be ethical and divorce law at the same time.  Those boundaries will eventually cross.  Also I am sure you actually like law, otherwise your premise will not sustain you in the field very long.  You may make loads of money, but if you’re not doing it for the right reasons, i.e. to help others, then you will run yourself out.  I say this because you may in the end be a great attorney and your employers will love you.  Your conscience on the other hand will not be as loving.  I speak of this after knowing people who have travelled where you excitedly are embarking.  I take issue with your premise for being an attorney. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:13:27 PM »
Not everyone works in public interest or for the poor plaintiff.  A lot of people work for companies and firms that usually divorce "justice" from winning.  Everyone I interviewed with clearly knows I am in it for the money (because most of them are too), and they could care less.  I'm not a horrible person, I will be an ethical lawyer, and I will probably be a damn good lawyer. I would just be a damn good something else if it paid better.

I do not think a person can be ethical and divorce law at the same time.  Those boundaries will eventually cross.  Also I am sure you actually like law, otherwise your premise will not sustain you in the field very long.  You may make loads of money, but if you’re not doing it for the right reasons, i.e. to help others, then you will run yourself out.  I say this because you may in the end be a great attorney and your employers will love you.  Your conscience on the other hand will not be as loving.  I speak of this after knowing people who have travelled where you excitedly are embarking.  I take issue with your premise for being an attorney. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 27, 2009, 02:03:56 AM »
These are the worst kinds of law students. Put that in your personal statement, along with "everyone tells me I am good at arguing!" and "Once I saw a homeless person, and it made me think about injustice!"

Allow me to clarify.  I was involved in a legal program for 2 years as a teenager.  I am not a kid mid way through college and decided to go to law school.  This has been my goal for several years. It would be grossly misrepresented to deduce my experiences to what you have implied.  I do agree that some people will make the decision to go to law school on a whim or pure irrational premises.  This is true with all career fields.  For example, it would be irrational for me to all of a sudden decide to go to med school and become a doctor based on the salary that is common of this profession.  This holds true for law school.  Going to law school for the sole premise of wanting to make loads of money does no justice for people whom they will eventually represent.  Now I do understand your point you make about job security and school affiliation.  As I said I have income coming in before I wipe the crust out of my eye.  Let me repeat.  I have money.  So whether I am unemployed for the first 6,9,12 months out is irrelevant for me.  However, this may not be the case for everyone.  As stated before my education is paid in full.  I will type this another way if you did not understand.  IT IS FREE.  A high salary job is not my motivation to go to law school.  I do not expect you to relate.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 25, 2009, 08:34:08 PM »
To SYN-

…but it seems to me just a way of countering your crap LSAT test scores with a "oh, I didn't care about rankings anyway" and "but I've got passion!"

When I was a kid I participated in programs that exposed me to the court system.  Before I even paid any attention to ranking of law schools I had a passion for law school.  I do not need a scholarship.  I am not interested in going to law school to earn 6 figures.  I am going to get a legal education.  What part of that confuses you?  Everyone who goes to law school is not motivated my money.  I promise you I will not loose sleep if I go to a tier3 or tier 4.  The one thing that you fail to realize is there are plenty of ways to make money.  I am an entrepreneur.   I bring in several thousand before I brush my teeth in the morning.  I am not trying to brag but am only stating the facts. 

There are lots of wonderful things to gain from a legal education.  But it is professional school.  The goal of professional school is generally to get a job.  And some schools put you in a better position to do that.

You should focus on how to network with people.  Trust me you will go further in life besides expecting the school to hand you a job.  Also show me the numbers where lower ranked graduates are unemployed versus their higher ranked counterparts.  You mistake a temporary situation, i.e. unemployed, for being a permanent situation.  Discounting whether ones job was 100k or 45k, show me the numbers of law graduates that are unemployed by the 10th month after graduation.  I am willing to bet this percentage is very small.  After you find that then show me the numbers of those who are unemployed after 12 months.  Your problem is you think that you are owed a job immediately after you graduate.  This false sense of entitlement is unrealistic for most graduating law students.  But I am sure you know this.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Thread for LSAT 145- 149 scores
« on: January 19, 2009, 05:13:14 PM »
I put pre law students in three categories-
1.   Ambitious Rider- one who feverously studies the LSAT for the purpose of scoring well enough to get a full ride (hence Ambitious Rider).

2.   Chopped and Screwed- one who feverously studies the LSAT, yet did not get any scholarship money, and who WILL have debt after law school.  Probably ended up in a Tier 3 or 4.  This person has officially been chopped and screwed.

3.    Paid For, All 1’s- one who has his/her education paid for regardless of LSAT score, therefore need not factor in scholarships or debts.  Sees a law education for what it is, a law education, not a ranking or number.  Probably puts less emphasis on rank and more on getting the degree.  One who is probably less driven by money and more driven by passion.   One who knows that regardless of what school you attend it is ultimately up to you to make it, through networking and playing to natural strengths.

Probably the #3 person would wholly agree with the article written.

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