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General Board / Re: 2nd Tier (Full Ride) versus T10
« on: January 22, 2007, 08:58:29 PM »
remember, you can start your own practice anywhere you like, as long as you graduated from an ABA-accredited law school and passed the relevant bar exam.

General Board / Re: 2nd Tier (Full Ride) versus T10
« on: January 21, 2007, 09:55:27 PM »
for what it's worth, i didn't even apply to any top schools, except a last-minute application to michigan, even though i could have gotten into a t10 school (i believe). i went with my favorite out of the schools that offered me a significant scholarship (around 75%), which also happens to be the highest ranking of the bunch. i haven't had occasion to regret it yet. i decided early on that i have no desire to do biglaw, and no desire to stress out over a $150,000 debt load. i attribute the fact that i've been virtually stress-free to my approach. i may not get rich with this approach, but i'll stay happy.

this wouldn't be right for everyone, but i get the sense that you may have a personality similar to mine. so think about it.

1L job search / Re: envelopes?
« on: January 20, 2007, 10:53:12 PM »
having served on many hiring committees, i say go with the manila. you don't want your letter to be the creased one in the folder.

Transferring / Re: For those who transferred mid-T1 to Top 10....
« on: January 20, 2007, 03:44:37 PM »
i don't know if it's possible, but i think it would be very hard. i do know that the law schools i applied to were very interested in whether i had previously matriculated at any other law school. i suspect that if the answer had been "yes", it would have raised a red flag. i doubt that schools have an outright ban on accepting such students, but they'd probably demand a good explanation, and "i thought my chances with an application de novo would be better than applying to transfer" is not good. remember that the transfer game is a money-maker for top schools.

General Board / Re: Middle 1st Tier with Scholarship versus T10?
« on: January 20, 2007, 10:34:01 AM »
correct. except it takes more than a year of biglaw to make up the difference, unless you're very frugal.

if you think you *might* want to be a lawyer but aren't sure, then hedge your bets by taking the full ride.

General Board / Re: Results are in B average...
« on: January 18, 2007, 08:46:26 PM »
Briefing does not help you learn to apply the law.  *Reading* the cases, and seeing how the court applies it does help.

for me, briefing forces me to read in a way that i comprehend how it's being applied, and writing out the court's reasoning reinforces. just reading without briefing is too casual, and won't make things stick.

Transferring / transfer t2 --> ???
« on: January 18, 2007, 12:28:48 AM »
i'm at a t2. i think i did well in my classes - maybe top 25%.

my question is: how well to i have to do to get into a t1 med school?

General Board / Re: Transferring from T4 to T1 or T14
« on: January 17, 2007, 09:01:36 PM »
how would you explain it when lower ranked schools (and i mean t3/4 v. t1/2) have significantly higher bar passage rates than higher one, even within the same state? 

i'm not trying to be sarcastic, i'm just curious

some schools, often lower-ranked ones (but also schools like almost-t1 baylor), are said to teach to the bar. while the students at higher-ranked schools are studying a great range of courses, learning public policy, comparative law and all those interesting things, the students at the lower-ranked school are all taking evidence and corporations, and essentially studying whatever will be on the bar. that's the theory anyway.

General Board / Re: Results are in B average...
« on: January 17, 2007, 07:28:30 PM »
i haven't received any grades back, so i can't claim any success or failure for any particular approach, but: doesn't briefing give you practice with applying the law? and don't exams have many points for applying the law? i would think briefing is pretty valuable. i usually do it myself, in classes where it's appropriate.

anyway, whatever approach you adopt, lawkid, i'm sure you'll do well if you study smart and hard.

General Board / Re: Transferring from T4 to T1 or T14
« on: January 17, 2007, 12:22:26 AM »
makes a certain amount of sense, but i guess i still don't fully get it. wouldn't it make more sense for lower ranked schools to grade inflate but publish rank earlier? that way employers will know which students to hire, and the school will escape the low-curve stigma.

sorry to turn this thread into a serious conversation.

but wait - are employers and target schools for transfers so ignorant that they don't realize that GPA is an artificial number, and that they should rely on rank instead? and if employers are that ignorant, why do law schools not boost their curves to improve the chances that their grads will be hired, and get better jobs when hired?

1. Not all 1L transcripts will come with a class rank (many schools refuse to rank until after graduation).  Thus, the employer or admissions officer would actually have to work to find out whether a 3.3 is good or bad at a given school.  Anything that requires effort on the part of someone else is already a knock against you.

2. The schools have a reputation to protect.  Low-tier schools tend to lower their curves to seperate out the elite students from the rest on the idea that the elite students will better represent the school to employers.  If a T3 or T4 sent everyone out into the legal community with 3.8+, employers would no longer want grads of that school (becuase you can't tell who is a moron and who isn't).  At top schools, the curve shifts up to reflect the belief that those in the middle (and even the bottom) of the class are bright, capable, motivated (just not as bright, capable, or motivated as their amazing peers). 

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