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tatersol, how many people at Gtown work at the job that they summered at?  Does anyone actually accept offers that they get through 3L OCI?

Law firms hire almost exclusively from their 2L summer class. If you work for a firm your 2L summer you almost always work for them after you graduate. If someone doesn't get an offer from their 2L summer employer (rare for anyone from any school), they'll go through 3L OCI. Or some people will get an offer and go through 3L OCI just for more options (less rare).

I don't know what the numbers are for gtown for people getting jobs through 3L OCI. I know that it's much harder 3L than 2L, because most firms aren't interested in hiring 3Ls. The numbers I do know: between 50-65% of 2Ls get jobs through OCI--I'm guessing that probably 70-80% of those will work for that employer after they graduate. A few people won't get offers, and others will just change their plans.

Is it generally preferable to work for the same firm both summers? What if it's a bigger law firm with a location near your school and another where you eventually want to be? Would it be easy to bypass your locale and go to where you eventually wan to be?

If you work for a law firm your first summer, I think it's generally better to work for a different firm your second summer. You can go back to the first firm for the last couple weeks of the second summer and secure your offer. Then, come September of your 3L year, you have two full time offers to pick from.

Some firms will insist you come back your second summer for the whole summer if you wanna keep the offer. Most don't, though. And just as a practical matter, even if you know you really like the first firm, it might be better to at least experience another firm, if only to remind you why you liked the first one so much.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: 'BigLaw' Who Wants it? Who has it? Why?
« on: May 13, 2005, 01:37:55 PM »
Sure you're 'expected' to use all of your vacation; just like you're expected to eat and sleep with regular intervals.  Hah!  I work at BigLaw, no one uses all of their vacation.

What I meant was those I know are taking their four weeks and claim that this is the norm. Like I said, maybe that isn't true of all firms.

I'll believe that people work some of their vacation time before I believe that they're only billing 50% of their hours...

It depends on how strong your connections are and how you got them.  I'm most likely going to go to a 4th tier school, but I have two different firms that have already told me that they will hire me upon completion of my JD.  Of course, those two firms are firms that I have worked for in the past that actually know my work ethic, etc.  One of the firms is a small firm in Columbus, Ohio, and the other is a large firm in Sacramento.  Even though the firm in Sacramento has offered me a job, I don't really feel like I can count on that happening.  Everyone at the firm in Columbus was able to get to know me very well (much better than the people at the large firm in Sacramento ever would have been able to).  They were all knew how much work I put into my studies, and they were able to actually see how much I accomplished at the firm (people would never be able to realize that at the large firm that I worked for).  Therefore, I think that the small firm would be much more likely to hire me than the large one.  Also, since I'm most likely going to attend Capital in the fall (it's highly regarded in central Ohio), I really don't think that I'll have a problem getting that job in Columbus.  Even though I have that job offer already, I'm still hoping to get more connections/options when I'm in school.

Connections are going to be very helpful for you. Try to be a summer associate for one of those firms your 1L summer. Get your offer and then your set. Many of the people in my class who got 1L summer associate jobs are people that paralegaled at the firm prior to attending law school, and now they're just going back.

I think connections are probably extremely valuable if you're looking for work in smaller law firms or public interest/government employers. For large law firms it's probably more like just a (small) piece of the whole picture you present.

1. I can't answer
1a. Because I'm supposed to be studying and not on here
1b. So I'll ask the 8-ball
1c. It says "yes."
1d. 8-ball hasn't been very exciting lately but it gets the job done.

2. ER's on.
2a. study break.

1. ooh i haven't posted on this thread much
1a. I was inspired by a post on the "watcha drinking thread"
1b. it lent itself to this numbered format.
1c. allow me to explain:

2. I'm drinking white wine and listening to Dixie Chicks - Landslide (was Destiny's Child - Jumpin' before)
2a. all while studying for criminal procedure tomorrow
2b. the wine makes it bearable
2c. i hope i don't need it when i start work
2d. just kidding (sorta)

White wine and Destiny's Child - jumpin

all while studying for crim tomorrow!

the wine makes it bearable...

i hope I don't need the wine when i start work

(just kidding)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Grading Curve
« on: May 12, 2005, 04:12:13 PM »

Its been my experience thus far (30 credits so far) that success in law school comes down to mainly three things; your desire to succeed, your prescience to over come challenges, and your motivation to do the work necessary to succeed in the face of procrastination, distraction and the desire to give up. If you have those then the curve should not scare you because you have the all tools necessary to be successful in law school regardless of your LSAT or any other so called predictor of success, and the schools effort to weed those out who do not. 

110% correct. I'm beating the pants off of people with higher LSAT scores than me. The difference? They're miserable and I actually kinda like this stuff. They're certainly not stupid. Well, maybe some. But not most.

Everyone else that I know that's also doing really well is the type of person that was engaged by and interested in the material to begin with.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: 'BigLaw' Who Wants it? Who has it? Why?
« on: May 12, 2005, 04:04:46 PM »
I'd suggest everyone google "On being a happy, healthy, ethical member of an unhappy, unhealthy, unethical profession" by Patrick J. Schlitz and read it before you commit yourself to the biglaw route.  It's a very worthwhile read.

agreed. very interesting stuff.

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