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Current Law Students / Re: The networking questions thread
« on: February 06, 2009, 08:28:07 AM »
I would say that it's immensely useful as a law student, but difficult to figure out how to use it.  If you can successfully network, you'll be more likely to find a job and more likely to keep it.  You'll be much more likely to hear about the job you want when and if it opens up and people who know you, even a little, will likely view you in a more favorable light than people they don't know.  Not fair, not even rational... but reality.

What Wally says about law students is semi-correct:  it's hard to network before you specialize and know which net to work.  If you're lucky enough to already know your specialty (say, if you're in IP, for example), you'll likely find that it's relatively easy to identify key players.  Figuring out how to contact them without harrassing them is a trick, talent and art.  Yet, even large sub-fields of law like intellectual property are relatively smallish communities of professionals and ability to network is hugely important.

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 08:51:31 PM »
From now on I promise to keep my overbroadening to a minimum.

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 08:40:11 PM »
"I just don't see why firms would suddenly start caring about different things"

I'll qualify what I'm saying by noting that it only applies to my firm... but the reasons are:  1) business has shrunk so that there would not be enough work for the usual first year associate class 2) the kind of work has changed so that there are fewer enormous litigation projects around (the kind that are especially good for training young associates without any kind of special experience) and 3) the firm doesn't feel that it is in a strong enough financial position to invest in new associates that won't become profitable right away.  This is why they're favoring candidates with some kind of special skill that would allow them to more easily be "plugged in" to an existing work group and, by providing some specific skill that group lacks, enhance its profitability on a relatively short time scale.

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 08:28:54 PM »
No, I don't think we disagree either.  I would add, though, that how much cannon fodder firms need is kind of up in the air right now.  My firm has decided that they will not hire many newbies in order to avoid layoffs.  Other firms have decided to axe more expensive 3-5th year associates specifically so they can be replaced with relatively low paid fresh meat. I'm sure there are at least a couple other categories including firms that have laid off associates and are not hiring, etc.

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 08:18:46 PM »
That's definitely true... I mean, she's never going to say something like "Well, this year we're going to have to settle for straight-up mediocrity" even if that may have been the case.  I know her because I occasionally work for her (I'm a patent agent at a DC law firm).  The context was a casual conversation about whether or not our practice group was going to continue to grow over the next year.

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 08:09:30 PM »
I did have in mind the soul-suckiest of firms.  What I've been told (by a hiring partner at a large DC firm) is that this year you're going to have to have something better than a solid petigree.  She said they're really looking for people who have experience or backgrounds that will pay off in the relatively short term  (e.g., language skills and/or experience abroad, business or accounting degrees, passed the patent bar,  political connections, connections with potential clients, etc.).  In a more typical year, they'd be looking for raw talent.

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Dude, life is long and law school is short.  Try not to worry too much about this.  Hang out with non-law students at your school... or something.  Reading about your anxieties concerning how other students see you makes me sad.  I also wonder if you're not exaggerating (no offense) how much other people really care about what happened to you.  These people don't really know you.  They've probably wondered about what you're doing... but they're probably way more worried about getting a job in this bad economy to care.

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Maybe it's best to work for the government?

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 05, 2009, 07:40:07 PM »
Quite frankly, a re-assessment of things might be in order.  If panic is your thang, maybe that too.  I mean, 1 year ago layoffs in the vault top 20 would have been unthinkable. 

Frankly, in this job market, you have to have something unique and special to get hired. 

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Current Law Students / Re: If you get a C in the lower T14, are you done?
« on: February 04, 2009, 09:02:56 PM »
Let's not forget the fact that he's demonstrably dead wrong.  

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