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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Salary of lawyers
« on: November 21, 2009, 01:05:23 PM »
It's hard to generalize.

Most Harvard graduates will be making 160k a year.
Most graduates of online law schools won't be working as lawyers.

45k isn't altogether uncommon (especially with third and fourth tier law schools). There is a lot of unemployment too.

I literally "spit coffee" at this.  :D

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Salary of lawyers
« on: November 20, 2009, 01:53:05 PM »
No, nealric is lying.  We all make $200K, drive Lamborghinis, and have multiple supermodels on tap for recreational sex.  Don't let anyone know I told you, though, or they'll kick me out of the bar association.


exnay on the amborghinilay.

OMG....I hate you both! LMAO! LOLOLOL   :D

Black Law Students / Re: Prospective Black Law Students in the NYC area
« on: November 19, 2009, 04:45:34 PM »

I do not know if I "count" in terms of attending LS in NY b/c I plan on doing an exchange w/ New York Law School next yr and I am taking the NY Bar.

Yes of course, thank you for your response.  :)

Black Law Students / Re: The Howard Law/HBCU Law Schools Thread
« on: November 19, 2009, 04:44:32 PM »
I was wondering if HLS admission committee was gay friendly. I'm a gay AA male who wants to attend Howard and was thinking about coming out in my personal statement but I'm not sure if that will hurt or help me. I've heard that it isn't always a good idea to do that because certain schools aren't receptive to that type of personal statement and I was just wondering if Howard was one of those schools.

Howard is HUSL.

And you shouldn't base your decision on whether to come out because of a boost it may or many not give you. If you're gay, you're gay. If it is something relevant that adds to your decision to go to law school, disclose it. If not, don't.

I wasn't asking if I should do it for a boost. I'm asking if Howard is a gay friendly school. Coming out in your PS might not be a good idea even if it is relevant to my decision to go to law school. I just want to know if I should direct my PS towards that angle or not include it and just talk about other things.

I don't know if it is gay friendly or not. Black people, in general, are not very gay friendly, though. You see the nonsense going on at Morehouse right now? I'd say African Americans are very slow to embrace homosexuality - even among many educated and progressive blacks.

Not trying to start a flame war, but I fail to see the correlation between progression, education and homosexuality...IJS.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.71/171 chances to break t-14?
« on: November 19, 2009, 03:39:41 PM »

The message I'm about to post probably won't mean anything, but I thought I would share something with you.

Although T14s do accept applicants with exceptionally high GPAs and LSAT scores, they do make exceptions (although your acceptance into one of those schools would hardly count as an 'exception' due to your high GPA and LSAT score). For example, an old roommate of mine had a 3.7 GPA with no Honor's classes, no AP classes, etc. just basic, intro classes. She scored a 153 on her LSAT and was accepted into Cornell. The point of my message is that even though the most prestigous schools (T20) place a great emphasis on high numbers, they do accept those who fall below the usual high numbers (hence, below the bottom 25th percentile which these schools do not report).

In my opinion, you have an excellent chance of being admitted into one of those T14 schools. Just make sure that your PS, resume and letters of rec. are top notch and you should have as good a chance as most others of being accepted.

Good luck.  :)

Is she black or some kind of URM?


White males score well below and have subpar GPA's and get into T14 schools too.  :-*

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Touro Law School...
« on: November 18, 2009, 06:50:09 PM »
Touro is a T4 on a good day. From what I hear, it's okay if you are of Latin descent (in terms of employment connections). Like someone else said, retake the LSAT and try to NYL and BLS or even CUNY School of Law, I would.  :P

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: this sucks..Yale vs. NYU full ride
« on: November 18, 2009, 04:03:45 PM »
if you are that smart, you should be able to make your own decision.

Wow! I can tell there is a lot of jealousy on this board. A decision can be tough for anyone, regardless of their level of intelligence.

Ron!  GET A f-ing CLUE!!!

I, for one, am not the least bit jealous of you, and I still think that you are stupid to have posted as you did.  Sure, your numbers are better than mine, but it doesn't matter in the end, since my cycle has gone just swimmingly.

The reason people dislike your post is that you are as melodramtic as a 7 year old girl.  Yes, you have a legitimately difficult decision, and I think LSD is a fine place to talk that out.  But you hate your life?  Give me a f-ing break!  That is unbelievable!  The  thread is "this sucks."  HA!  Really sucks, feminine hygiene product.  You don't want to make the choice?  How about choosing between your current situation and being rejected everywhere but Cooley?

Man, Cooley makes life easy.

Get a clue.

Jealous Poster
(Since there's obviously no other explanation, certainly none that doesn't say that you are an idiot)

ouch  :'(

The postings above make good points.  In this economy you need to go to a solid law school or not go at all.  Too many people are ending up $150K in debt and without jobs.  When they do get a job, it's paying them $50K which is less than many were making before going to law school.

For school comparison purposes, check out and click on "advanced search".  There is a table you can look into that will provide the list of firms interviewing at each school. Compare schools and factor in the number of students at the schools you're comparing in order to see how difficult the job market is for each schools' students.  Most students will not get a job through OCI, however, looking at the number of firms visiting will show you how "in-demand" students from a particular school are in their region.


Modified to remove spam- nealric

Thank you for this info Kris. I did the NALP search and it's quite sobering...  :-\

Way to kill the conspiracy theories there with facts, logical speculation and stuff, next you’re going to tell me we actually landed on the moon.   :P

I do my best to ruin every bit of fun anyone might have in my midst.

I still thinks its more likely that a group of Watergate type burglars broke into USNEWS offices and used white out to change the numbers.   

I heard it was correction tape.

I actually LOL'd.  :D

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Scholarships and AA
« on: November 06, 2009, 07:52:27 PM »
"Why is the color of your skin a merit for which you get a scholarship?"

One of the many, and I think valid, arguments in favor of AA is that URMs score lower on standardized tests (likely caused by low SES backgrounds caused in turn, at least in part, by the systemic discrimination that is one aspect of what AA seeks to rectify) - as a group - than do whites. Low SES is correlated with both minority status and lower test scores. If anything - as a group - minority applicants do have a greater need for that money. Or so goes the argument.

I disagree with this argument somewhat. Standardized exams are still culturally biased. For example, verbiage that is more commonly spoken in majority White schools and households, though not the target of the LSAT, still hampers comprehension for ethnic minorities, and even the test makers know it. But they are either apathetic or feel handcuffed to do much about it. Furthermore, URM's are less likely to take an exam course OR purchase sufficient practice materials before their first attempt, and we purportedly re-test at a lower clip when compared to Whites and Asians. 

Economics and intergenrational oppression are certainly a part of the equation, as are laziness and weakness on the part of many ethnic minority parents, who are still looking for handouts, and passing on to their children a welfare mentality. I hate that fact about my people, but its true. And URM students often do not put out the necessary effort to succeed on standardized exams.

My disagreement stems from this: If someone would beat home the point that they need a minumum of 6 months of strong prep, more of them would score in the upper percentiles. i think effort and preparation has much to do with the success levels, or lack thereof. But how do we ensure access to the preparation ? Many URM's need additional training before the LSAT's, such as improved vocabulary and working with varied sentence structures. And they need to study under rigid conditions that allow for repeated testing.

We may not have fancy boats to fish in the lakes as we please, but we now have our poles and bait, and can certainly fish from the shore, i.e., we should take advantage of the opportunities we do have. Given the right amount of determination and savvy, anyone can acheive in America; it's just THAT great! Too many of us do not have that determination, like prisoners who don't realize the bars have been removed, even if the world outside still won't be too welcoming.

Almost every male in my family hates school, and most have dropped out and never sniffed college. And that was their fault. In the 1950's I wouldn't have condoned it, and I don't condone it now. I do not respect that, especially in Black people. We can ill-afford to take for granted one of the two most historically important keys to wealth for Blacks, education (the other is land ownership).

But neither should our society ignore that conditions still exist that make life much tougher for ethnic minorities.



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