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General Board / Re: Is law school a wise investment?
« on: June 24, 2010, 05:34:36 PM »
You could do these reports in every single industry education is a risk and that should not be news to anybody.

Precisely! "is law school a wise investment?" I'd have to answer by giving the classic "it depends" answer. Here is what it depends on:
1) It depends on how long YOU can wait for a return. If you are borrowing the cash, you don't get very long to start making payments. Its 6 months after you graduate but then you can defer if you have hardship but the interest will accrue so beware.
2) It depends on YOUR opportunity cost ( in other words, what you will be giving up.....) In my opinion, if you've got an 80,000 per year earning potential without a law degree, and you quit this gig, assuming most of your decision to go to law school is based on finance, you may want to rethink. However, if you make 35,000 per year and hate your job, then it makes sense. ( unless you end up making 50,000 with a law degree and hate that as well)
3)It depends on whether or not YOU like legal work and will get pleasure from it? If you have no idea, talk to a few lawyers in your area. See if they'd be willing to let you sit with them for a few hours so you can get a feel for the profession. As most of us know, its not what you see on tv. Its actually massive reading, writing, research and more reading until you get tired. It is 10 hour days. You will work with strange people.......... some of whom will be very cold and unfriendly(but not always the case and in all fairness this can happen in any industry......) but probably more in legal
4) What is your timeline? What age do you hope to retire. Will you be able to retire >:( ?
5) How much will you pay/ borrow for the education?

Answering these questions should get you closer to the answer of the question: "is law school a wise investment?" It has for me. Its all about planning and making informed decisions. Nothing is guaranteed but 100k is a lot of money to waste on a poorly thought out "bad idea".

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he not out work.

maybe you're right, assuming he's cooperative and stays cool.

no, julie right:  he still four-star general.

Makes sense because the ny times states he was "dismissed from command".

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If your own independence is so important why get married? Why go through a ceremony that only means more paperwork and legal drama if you ever want to split? Why not just live together and leave it at that?

Thelo is such an evident sexist that it's hilarious. Hey, why get married? I bet he also owns a big truck because certain anatomy is tiny. Marriage=loving partnership. You and Mac n Cheese or whatever his name is are as bad as the damn fanatics in the middle east. If two people want to marry and change both of their names to "ieatdingleberries" and then the woman wants to wear a suit everyday while the man wears a dress and they both work, why do you care?  I am sure if either of you have wives, she took your name and didn't mind because you two share the SAME VALUES. That's why you're married. Please stay out of people's lives because it only makes you look like insecure and exacerbates the world's problems.

PS. Mac n Cheese, I wouldn't shed one tear if my husband didn't want me to take his name. Look up "social construct" and get back to me.

Ok, i've googled "social construct" and skimmed through. I think I know where you are going with this, but i'm not sure so let me ask you a few questions. What was the defining factor in your personal decision to marry? Did you see married couples in public, in your family, and on television which ultimately gave you the idea? Did your priest tell you to do it? If so, isnt it safe to say that you were following the pack? If not, then I guess you consider yourself to be a pioneer, a leader! Yeah sure. My bet is that you were acting out what you learned, and were told that it was "the right thing to do". With that said, how do you feel that the idea of "social construct" is relevant to the initial argument over gender and name changes in a marriage?

On a personal note, I think that marriage is the ultimate level of friendship to exist. As long as both people are satisfied then no problem, right? But that's not what were talking about. Were talking about a situation in which someone is not satisfied. (whether or not the disatisfaction is the result of a "social construct" is pointless)

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he not out work.

maybe you're right, assuming he's cooperative and stays cool. 

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I see a book, interviews on every major Fox News show, maybe a couple on CNN, and token appearances on MSNBC before taking a position on the board of Haliburton.

 I guess it depends. I wouldn't go as far as Haliburton though - doubt if that entourage would accept him.

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General Mchrystal got into trouble for making undermining comments. I wonder if he's bitter and if he will write a book that talks about the inner workings of the military. I wonder if he will take interviews on some sleazy talk shows now that he is out of work.

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That would hurt! The way I see it, there is not an objective correlation between happiness within a marriage and spouse name change. However, the name change symbolizes unity and togetherness which is obviously an issue in the event it doesn't happen. Just to illustrate my point - how would you feel if he expected you to marry him, but didn't give you a ring or a nice wedding ceremony? What if he wanted to skip the ring altogether? What if his idea of a nice wedding was to take you in his car down to the court building and marry you, then afterwards, take you to an all you can eat buffet then drop you off at home before going to work? You'd probably feel like crap because of what those things actually sybolize. On a broader scale, people rarely admit the importance of appearance and how things look to friends, family, and colleagues.
I'd probably react by explaining how important the name thing is. If I had to beg, I wouldn't want to move forward because begging is not cool. If I had to beg about this, then there is no telling what else i'd have to beg for. Just my thoughts. Be good

MaCNCheese

If unity and togetherness is what it's supposed to symbolize, is there any good argument reason why the man shouldn't take his wife's last name?



No.  I don't have a good argument against the man changing his last name. However, image is important to some people and I know that if one of my friends told me that he was going to change HIS last name, well, lets just say he probably wouldn't get a call for the annual superbowl party. This is soooo ridiculous. I can't believe its come to this.......  If this is how you really feel then here are my suggestions:

1.  Find a girlie man, metrosexual, or or man femminist that will agree with you. It would make your life easier.
2. Skip the marriage or
3. Get a sex change

How would you feel if a guy asked you to marry him under this condition:
 You are not ALLOWED to take his last name and he states that he will not even entertain taking your last name. This changes things up a tad bit now doesn't it.  You no longer have the option to have his last name so its not even under discussion and as matter of fact, he looks you square in the eyes and says: "I want to marry you but I will not ALLOW you to take my last name, and there is no way that I'm taking yours".  You'd feel like crap. You probably wouldn't take the same position. You'd probably side with me and my "symbolize" argument.

MaCNCheese


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Um..I don't really see your point.  Tons of people get married and not everyone has rings or ceremonies.  Take me for example, I kept my maiden name when I was married but I also never got a diamond engagement ring and I did not have a wedding with a fancy dress and a string quartet.

 The ceremony of marriage doesn't interest me particularly.  I understand that some women are into those things but there are women out there who would trade the traditional trappings of marriage just to keep their maiden name.  Plus I don't really see your point because "traditionally" the brides family is supposed to pay for the wedding, all the man has to pay for is the engagement ring and engagement rings can be cheap or super expensive depending on HIS taste.  So the bride loses her name and puts her family in debt to pay for the wedding and you are talking about symbolism and unity.  It seems to me that "traditionally" men are the greater beneficiaries of marriage so stop complaining about what men have to sacrifice for marriage and respect women enough to see that we are not just silly romantic fools but rational creatures capable of sound financial and emotional judgement.   
That would hurt! The way I see it, there is not an objective correlation between happiness within a marriage and spouse name change. However, the name change symbolizes unity and togetherness which is obviously an issue in the event it doesn't happen. Just to illustrate my point - how would you feel if he expected you to marry him, but didn't give you a ring or a nice wedding ceremony? What if he wanted to skip the ring altogether? What if his idea of a nice wedding was to take you in his car down to the court building and marry you, then afterwards, take you to an all you can eat buffet then drop you off at home before going to work? You'd probably feel like crap because of what those things actually sybolize. On a broader scale, people rarely admit the importance of appearance and how things look to friends, family, and colleagues.
I'd probably react by explaining how important the name thing is. If I had to beg, I wouldn't want to move forward because begging is not cool. If I had to beg about this, then there is no telling what else i'd have to beg for. Just my thoughts. Be good

MaCNCheese

You don't see the real issue here. You'd only understand my point if you could somehow understand that somethings are important to a potential spouse and when these things are disregarded by the fiance, it hurts. So, hypothetically speaking, what if a diamond ring and a fancy dress with a quartet string was important to YOU? If you didn't get those things, you'd be disappointed and therefore hurt. Furthermore, it's irrelevant to mention whether or not the groom or the bride is financially responsible for the wedding. (doesn't really matter who pays the bill) If the bride expects it and doesn't get it, she will be a bridezilla! Period.More importantly in this issue, is its IMORTANCE to either person. Obviously, if two people could care less about the jewelry, then it is not an issue - but thats not what we are talking about. Were talking about a situation in which one person values something and deems it important for the relationship, but the other does not.

MaCNCheese




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That would hurt! The way I see it, there is not an objective correlation between happiness within a marriage and spouse name change. However, the name change symbolizes unity and togetherness which is obviously an issue in the event it doesn't happen. Just to illustrate my point - how would you feel if he expected you to marry him, but didn't give you a ring or a nice wedding ceremony? What if he wanted to skip the ring altogether? What if his idea of a nice wedding was to take you in his car down to the court building and marry you, then afterwards, take you to an all you can eat buffet then drop you off at home before going to work? You'd probably feel like crap because of what those things actually sybolize. On a broader scale, people rarely admit the importance of appearance and how things look to friends, family, and colleagues.
I'd probably react by explaining how important the name thing is. If I had to beg, I wouldn't want to move forward because begging is not cool. If I had to beg about this, then there is no telling what else i'd have to beg for. Just my thoughts. Be good

MaCNCheese

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just get a general no major JD and dont worry about it. Besides what is hot now might not be latter.

Here's a hint though, people will always try to stay out of prison and always fight over kids and property in divorses.
Recession proof.

People might not create as many trusts and split property and sue for constitutional change in different era's but those two above will never die.

Perhaps though, if people are tight on money, they will using a public defender or wait to get divorced. Or am I incorrect? Like you said, people will always fight over kids, so maybe that passion will make people forget about finances. I was thinking tax law might be rather recession-proof whether it is for corporations or individuals. The IRS doesn't get put on hold...

I agree that tax law may be recession proof but it also requires a substantially higher investment to validate yourself as specializing in tax law.

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