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Non-Traditional Students / Re: What exactly is a non-traditional student?
« on: December 01, 2008, 10:20:26 PM »
Hello.  I feel I can add something here.  I'm 40 years old, living in Los Angeles, and looking to start law in the fall of 09. Congrats on logging on LSD for help.  A wise choice.  She can be a sassy lady, but most on here are very helpful.

First CBE accredited schools.  I believe these are what you are refering to.  These schools cater to the non traditional students and offer part time programs at night for 4 yrs.  This is a link to UWLA which has a campus in the west valley and one by LAX. This school I believe also has a FT day program for 3yrs as well.  Another school I know is the University of Glendale College of Law.

The Good: You do not need to sit for the Baby-Bar.  And yes, this is considered even harder than the actual bar.  Most of these schools are on-line programs.  The reason for the BB-Bar is that the LSAT is not required for these schools.  Neither is a college degree for that matter.
Anyway, CBE schools do require the LSAT, but a 143 or above and you're in.  You also don't neccessarily need a bachelors degree either, an AA or 60-80 CLEP credits suffices.  They cost about 1/2 what the ABA charge and at UWLA if you score a 150 or above on the LSAT, they'll give you a 1/2 ride.

Now, THE BAD:  No federal financial aid.  All private loans and most schools, UWLA being the exception, offer no scholorships.  The CA Bar passage rate is below 25%.  What good is the degree if you can't practice.  For five years, once licensed, you will only be able to practice in CA.  After that, about 1/2 to 2/3 of the states will let you sit for their bar if you are in good standing.  The career placement centers at these schools, if any, are nothing but glorified Craigslists.  The networking of alumni that most students utilize at their schools is slim to say the least.  UWLA touts the have 100 sitting judges in LA. A tiny drop in the bucket.  Can anyone succeed.  Yes.  Some have made it work and work out well for themselves.  But the numbers are miniscule.  Your law degree will always be on your resume and for good or bad, the school you go to has a stigma attached.  Let me put it another way.  Look up on the various threads here what people say about a T4 school in Michigan, Cooley.  Cooley would be considered the Yale/Harvard of the CBE world.

The more research I did, and yes, many here came to my rescue, the more I realized an ABA school is the only logical choice for me.  I too have a family, and even though it will cost more, it's an investment I can't afford not to make.  As a result, I am studying my ass off for the damm LSAT.  Part-time ABA night programs are a little more forgiving on the GPA/LSAT scores, but not by a huge amount.  I'm lucky in the fact I at least have my B.S. already.  I do adimire your courage in finishing your degree.  There just is too much money involved to make any poor decisions here.

Study hard, do some research, and good luck to you.

Personal Statement / An old man's PS anyone???
« on: December 01, 2008, 01:14:44 PM »
I am a non-trad applicant applying to part time programs.  Would anyone care to read and critique?  It is of course the most blah, blah, blah, etc. PS you'll ever read.

PM me and I'll send it over.  I'll read your's as well if you would like.

So he can kick my ass in a bar?  I'll probably name him Bill or George or anything but Sue.
Gouging in the mud,the blood, and the beer.... Good times!

I actually did this.  However, the quote was of myself so I didn't violate any conventional wisdom.  In fact, my entire personal statement is just a list of the profound things that I've said over the years.  Instead of telling a story or crafting an argument, I thought I could impress adcomms with two dozen non sequiturs.

Oh, shut up you :D

If either of you ever has a child, and it's a boy... will you name him Sue?   ;)

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Southwestern School of Law
« on: November 24, 2008, 12:58:50 PM »
It's always been ranked fairly low.

Southwestern is known for having a really good trial advocacy program.  They have a lot of people working for the District Attorney's office, so if that's something you're interested in, Southwestern may be a good option in the LA area. 

Thanks for the info.  I am very interested in the public sector so hopefully they like me.  They REALLY LIKE ME!!!!  (God Bless Sally Fields)

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Southwestern School of Law
« on: November 24, 2008, 12:24:05 PM »
I am a bit confused and perhaps some of you can shed some light for me.  Most people I talk to here in Los Angeles regard Southwestern as a very good option for Law. Most public sector jobs go to Loyola and Southwestern grads.  (What I have been told) When I tell them it's a tier 4, they are very surprised.  Have they recently fallen in rankings or have they always been a tier 4?  Any information on the school would be appreciated. Please don't just bash for bashings sake. Try to have a somewhat informed opinion.  Thank you.

Thanks for the quick replys.  I was on the web looking at some critiques and both of the "good ones" had opening quotes.  Ben Franklin was one.... I'm not kidding!!!

Strive to be better than those!  Seriously, if they both have them, wouldn't you think they were overused?

Yes, it was silly of me to even ask.  But look at the bright side, it just killed 30 seconds of your life posting to it.

Thanks for the quick replys.  I was on the web looking at some critiques and both of the "good ones" had opening quotes.  Ben Franklin was one.... I'm not kidding!!!

Well, I found an quote that I found somewhat applicable and amusing.  My Question is, are they cliche'.  Don't want to botch the damn thing in the opening sentence. Any comments... or torturous written personal jabs at me in general?  I'll even settle for an amusing adecdote.

Thank you.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: UT Law
« on: November 22, 2008, 04:52:58 PM »
I recommend going on the following web site:

You can look at all ABA schools and get data on their acceptance rates.  I found the graph tab to be very helpful.  It shows a GPA and LSAT score grid  --- Acctepted, Waitlisted, Denied.  With your current numbers, it looks to me like your right on the edge of acceptance there.

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