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I agree that Southwestern, for Los Angeles, isn't the worst choice a person could make.  Arguably 50% of the class is at least employable year in and year out.  Are there better options... yes.  Entertainment positions will usually go to candidates from the most elite schools with no need for the "entertainment" law background.  Most will admit that at best, entertainment programs serve the schools interests much better than the students who attend.

Take all of that, and add this as well... Even at lowly Southwestern, a 150 LSAT with at 3.25 gpa is a LONG SHOT at best... even PT.  The advice to retake is 100% credited.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: THE BEST NEWS OF THE SUMMER...
« on: July 27, 2009, 10:34:50 PM »
Puppies around the world unite for a better tomorrow.

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Yes schools publish job stats, schools also publish stats on thier law reviews and clubs, that does not mean they are garntunteeing you a spot on one. Studnets need to realize, and take resposeblity for the fact a school is a school and nothing more.
Well, when they graduate with over $150,000 in debt and NO way of paying it back, they'll realize. 

I realize the ABA isn't going to do anything.  I believe they lost a lawsuit a few years ago and now schools can't seem to create enough new law schools.  We'll see in the next 10 years if schools end up pricing themselves out of existence.  If things are truly as bad as ATL and the ABA Journal indicate.... things are only going to get worse.

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I used to believe as you do Mathies... why try to save anyone? It's their life.

But I am concerned that the ABA has accredited WAY to many schools for the opportunities that are available.  Also, at many of these schools your paying tuition equal to that of the T14-Tier 1.  That, imho, is an abomination.  Hell, at LEAST make it affordable.

I would also like to add I have NOTHING against T2, T3, T4 schools that are regionally located and offer a lower priced opportunity for people to attend and practice in that area... ie, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana... etc..  Those schools actually serve a needed purpose.  It just seems obvious to me, that the only thing keeping the above institutions afloat, is not their reputation and service, but the failures of those the schools knew had no chance to hack it in the first place.  The following review was from a couple of years ago, but the message is still relevant:

http://www99.epinions.com/review/educ-Law_Schools-All-California_Western_Law/content_335894187652

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With out doing an excessive amount of research on this, I think it's fair to look at the schools in question and realize that they are letting in sub-standard applicants with no chance of success.  These schools make a living off the 1L tuition of these dreamers. And the attrition doesn't stop at 1L.  Many schools, Williamette comes to mind, are not afraid to "cut bait on you" as late into your 3L year.  At that point they realize they have to protect their bar passage rate, as meager as it may already be.  Also, do you see many people matriculating INTO any of these schools?  That answer I know.... NO. 

If you're in the bottom quartile of your class, you should be worried, ITE.  At that point, the onus is on you.

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From Paul L. Caron, TaxProf Blog:

LawSchoolNumbers.com ranks the 195 law schools by 1L attrition rates.  (The ABA Section on Legal Education publishes aggregate attrition rates, and each school's attrition rate is available on its official ABA data sheet.)  Here are the 25 law schools with the highest attrition rates according to LawSchoolNumbers.com, along with the school's 2009 U.S. News overall ranking:

   1. Whittier (51.5% 1L attrition, #161 in U.S. News)
   2. Touro (37.4%, #171)
   3. Golden Gate (36.9%, #174)
   4. Western State (32.6%, not ranked)
   5. Jones School of Law (32.3%, not ranked)
   6. Widener (30.5%, #179)
   7. St. Thomas University (28.5%, #174)
   8. Barry (27.6%, #181)
   9. Liberty (27.1%, not ranked)
  10. Thomas M Cooley (26.0%, #181)
  11. Florida Coastal (23.7%, #171)
  12. California Western (23.6%, #156)
  13. Valparaiso (23.4%, #143)
  14. Florida International (23.3%, #153)
  15. Capital (22.8%, #161)
  16. Louisville (22.5%, #100)
  17. North Carolina Central (22.1%, #168)
  18. Detroit Mercy (21.9%, $163)
  19. Nova Southeastern (21.8%, #158)
  20. Oklahoma City (21.0%, $168)
  21. Willamette (21.0%, #137)
  22. Western New England (20.7%, #171)
  23. Northern Kentucky (20.2%, #156)
  24. University of The District of Columbia (20.0%, #181)
  25. Franklin Pierce (19.9%, #131)

With the economy and the over over abundance of law schools and graduates, how in good conscious can the ABA justify keeping these school accredited.  They are all abominations.  And Louisville.... SHAME ON YOU!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Liberty Law School
« on: July 10, 2009, 12:46:11 AM »
Here is yet ANOTHER reason to stay away from the POO HOLE KNOWN AS LIBERTY (And the rest of these cesspools should be done away with as well):

From Paul L. Caron, Tax Prof Blog

LawSchoolNumbers.com ranks the 195 law schools by 1L attrition rates.  (The ABA Section on Legal Education publishes aggregate attrition rates, and each school's attrition rate is available on its official ABA data sheet.)  Here are the 25 law schools with the highest attrition rates according to LawSchoolNumbers.com, along with the school's 2009 U.S. News overall ranking:

   1. Whittier (51.5% 1L attrition, #161 in U.S. News)
   2. Touro (37.4%, #171)
   3. Golden Gate (36.9%, #174)
   4. Western State (32.6%, not ranked)
   5. Jones School of Law (32.3%, not ranked)
   6. Widener (30.5%, #179)
   7. St. Thomas University (28.5%, #174)
   8. Barry (27.6%, #181)
   9. Liberty (27.1%, not ranked)
  10. Thomas M Cooley (26.0%, #181)
  11. Florida Coastal (23.7%, #171)
  12. California Western (23.6%, #156)
  13. Valparaiso (23.4%, #143)
  14. Florida International (23.3%, #153)
  15. Capital (22.8%, #161)
  16. Louisville (22.5%, #100)
  17. North Carolina Central (22.1%, #168)
  18. Detroit Mercy (21.9%, $163)
  19. Nova Southeastern (21.8%, #158)
  20. Oklahoma City (21.0%, $168)
  21. Willamette (21.0%, #137)
  22. Western New England (20.7%, #171)
  23. Northern Kentucky (20.2%, #156)
  24. University of The District of Columbia (20.0%, #181)
  25. Franklin Pierce (19.9%, #131)

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Liberty Law School
« on: July 08, 2009, 04:58:46 PM »
Neal,

It makes him ignorant because of his insinuation that "Liberty sucks, look at them, they're still dealing with accreditation, bahahaha!" What that statement ignorantly fails to take into account is that LU School of Law has not yet had the opportunity to even APPLY for full accreditation, through the sheer minimum amount of time that it takes to so apply. As I stated, based on when LU attained provisional accreditation (which, AGAIN, was the FASTEST in ABA history), the absolute soonest that LU could attain full accreditation is in April 2010. And as I previously stated, we are on track to complete that milestone in the minimum amount of time, continuing to set records and impress site teams as we go.

Not having all the above information, the reader of Matlock's post is left with the bare and distinct insinuation that Liberty is subpar. QED.

Trust me sweet-cheeks, I'll give you your PROVISIONAL ACCREDITATION.  I don't really f-ing care.  There are SO many things screwed up about that institution, I could go on for days.... your accreditation is the least of those.  The ABA can't seem to open up *&^%-holes fast enough these days.  Hell, let's talk about OVER 27% FIRST YEAR ATTRITION!!!!!!  WHAT A f-ing GOD SEND IT MUST BE TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL STEAL $25-30,000 TUITION, TO THEN GO AND FLUNK OUT A THIRD OF THE RETARDED CLASS!!!  PRAISE BE TO JESUS!!!!!!

WHAT I DO CARE ABOUT, is kids going to law school, graduating with over $100,000 in debt, and then having *&^% for employment prospects upon graduation!!  What would Jesus do sweety???? Bankruptcy isn't going to be there to bail them out.  Will you?

Peace and Love.

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And two more things:

(1) Now NO political group is "sponsored" by Liberty University - Rs, Ds, Libertarians, or any other political persuasion. Political groups of all stripes will not receive any funds from the school, but may still coordinate with the school for classroom space for their events. Thus, the College Democrats are now back on line ... they just have to raise their own support, just like everyone else.

(2) For this summer, I, a student from Liberty University School of Law, got a job at a highly regarded mid-size law firm in downtown Denver making $1,000/week. I would like to know how many of the other posters on this thread are currently enjoy comparable employment situations. My estimate is virtually none.
Well congrats!  Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.  Just be sure to report back to all us devil worshiping heathens the full employment data you get from your class.  I'll give you the minimum 9 months past graduation.  I'm sure we'll all get a kick out of it if we're not too busy separating embryonic stem cells or sorting through our vast array of anal butt plugs.

Hope you had a WONDERFUL Gay Pride Week!  Just try to remember this motto in life sweetheart, "What would Jesus do?".

Hugs.

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Once again, you are incorrect.  Liberty did not ban the college Dems from campus.  Liberty will not allow the college Democrats to use the school's name or receive any student funding (which is minimal anyway).  The college Democrats still have their group, and still meet regularly on campus. 
Once again you prove yourself to be a brain-washed zombie douchetard. :-*  DO NOT THROW AWAY YOUR MONEY ON THIS WASTE OF REAL ESTATE THEY CALL A LAW SCHOOL.  Unless you enjoy six figure debt and next to no employment prospects.  In that case feel free to throw your life away in this turd hole.

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