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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU 1L taking questions
« on: May 15, 2006, 02:14:54 AM »
How does the grading at NYU work? One of the main reasons I chose NYU of Georgetown is that the school apparently doesn't release class rank. I also got the impression that baically everyone gets a B or B+ so it's not as stressful as it could be. What's your impression of this?

Also, what are your plans for this summer?

Thanks for your input.

We get graded, but we don't have calculated GPAs or class ranks.  The curve is VERY strongly skewed towards B's and B+'s for 1L's, and is less strict later on.  Lawyering is not graded (which is a tremendous stress reliever).  I was in the "competitive" section, and did not feel like people were competitive at all, so take that for what it's worth.

I'm working as a research assistant for two professors, to decide if I want to pursue academia.  NYu runs a special summer program for the RA's that's designed to prime you for the teaching market, so I thought it was a good idea to give it a shot.

MindtheGap - I'm glad to hear that he's a good professor, I just didn't like his tone when he spoke here.  I especially didn't like him concluding a 10 minute speech as part of a panel on Roberts by saying that the senate should just confirm any supreme court nominee, as long as they're not crazy (and Bork didn't qualify as crazy to Epstein). 

Pt21 - I'm not sure how we place in Miami, but I have a 1L friend doing her summer there.  I assume we place well there, because we basically place well in most places.  The EIW schedule isn't up yet, so I don't know how many Miami firms are recruiting here. . .

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU 1L taking questions
« on: May 14, 2006, 12:03:13 PM »
Z,

Would you say the NYU environment is particularly collegial? Also, I don't think I can swing the on campus rent so I'll probably be living in Brooklyn, will this commute present huge challenges to a 1L? Thanks in advance.

We're a very friendly group.  If you miss class, you'll probably have 2-3 people send you notes without even asking, and people are happy to share their outlines going into exams (even the people with the 100+ page outlines. . .)

And I wouldn't worry about living in brooklyn.  I have plenty of friends living there, and they did not seem to have problems, they just working in the library a lot.

We used the Epstein book, and we did not come close to finishing the book.  But a lot of the heavy reading load days involvled a combination of the book and supplements the teachers gave out in class.  We didn't read 80 pages every night, and often had 20-30 page nights, but I had at least 1 or 2 nights in every class where we were assigned at least 80 pages.  Now, as time went on we learned that we didn't have to read all of that, but as poor lowly first semester 1L's a month into the semester, we were all still very diligent.  I wasn't even online in class yet at that point. 

You had Epstein?  I'm sorry. . .  I hope he isn't as miserable of a person in class as he was when he lectured at my school, or as his writing suggests.  From what I've seen, he's one the of the people I disagree with the most on virtually everything.

My Prof was an economist (Jennifer Arlen), and she thinks Epstein is wrong on EVERYTHING, so I really don't get why she chose his book. . .

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU 1L taking questions
« on: May 13, 2006, 11:39:47 PM »
We used the Epstein book, and we did not come close to finishing the book.  But a lot of the heavy reading load days involvled a combination of the book and supplements the teachers gave out in class.  We didn't read 80 pages every night, and often had 20-30 page nights, but I had at least 1 or 2 nights in every class where we were assigned at least 80 pages.  Now, as time went on we learned that we didn't have to read all of that, but as poor lowly first semester 1L's a month into the semester, we were all still very diligent.  I wasn't even online in class yet at that point. 

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: NYU Class of 2009
« on: May 11, 2006, 12:35:10 PM »
Is anyone else thinking about buying the computer the NYU computer store sells specifically for NYU students? Does anyone have any opinions on that computer? It is an IBM ThinkPad T43.



I'm a 2L now (just finished my last exam yesterday) and I have the older T42 through the school.  It's a great computer, and I think it's your best bet.  I can't tell you how many friends had problems with their dells, gateways, etc right before exams.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: NYU Dorms- Mercer worth the $?
« on: May 09, 2006, 11:39:00 AM »


there's your answer right there.  you're going to nyu; you'll be able to pay off whatever extra you need to borrow to pay the extra rent.

my girlfriend goes to nyu.  she says mercer's a lot nicer than dag.

If you can get a 1 bedroom in Dag, then that is by far the nicest housing option.  Mercer is generally nicer than Dag, but the Dag 1 bedrooms blow away everything in Merger for $100 more a month.  I live in one, and noone in either building can believe how nice it is.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: NYU Class of 2009
« on: May 08, 2006, 12:22:14 PM »
I'm actually working as a research assistant to a couple of professors, to figure out if I want to pursue academia.  But alot of my friends went for firm jobs and got them in various cities.  Of course, there were people who didn't get them too.  We definitely have a lot of 1L summer job options.  I'm 99% confident I could have had a firm job if I wanted one.  Being a good interviewer is important, and if you don't get any of the jobs you want, then it's probably based on interview style.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: NYU Class of 2009
« on: May 08, 2006, 12:12:04 PM »
I'm an NYU 1L, so if you guys wanna know anything, I'll try to answer your questions. 


I didn't read the thread just posted at the end, btw.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: NYU 1L taking questions
« on: May 08, 2006, 12:09:18 PM »
I've never had someone confuse us with NYLS.  The only people I know that have even heard of NYLS know enough to never make that mistake.  And I'm from north jersey. . .  One thing that did annoy me was having to tell people that know nothing about law school that I turned down money at CLS and a full scholarship + stipend at GTown to go to NYU (w/ the same money as CLS) to make them appreciate how good NYU is.

The health services are very good, but don't drop your parent's insurance if it's free coverage.  The NYU health center is nothing like a typical college health center.  It's staffed by real doctors and plenty of specialists.  It also looks like a real doctor's office. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU 1L taking questions
« on: May 08, 2006, 12:03:14 PM »
I'd written out a long reply to this, then I lost it when the browser locked up :(

Basically, the biggest surprises have also been my biggest dissapointments for the most part.  I'm shocked by how intellectually bereft the classroom experience is.  In undergrad I was one of those people that talked in class discussion, and even spent a lot of time dicussing profs research w/ them in their offices.  Here, I can't stand people who talk in class, and I can't even IMAGINE being able to intelligently evaluate a profs work.  It's literally like learning a foreign langage.  They're writing novels and debating politics, metaphysics and art, while we're learning to say table and airplane.

I've also been surprised / dissapointed by a lot of the students.  I've made great friends, and everyone here is really smart, but there are so many knee jerk reactionaries.  I used to self identify as a liberal, but now I'd say I'm firmly a moderate, with some liberal and some conservative views.  I can't believe some of the terrible arguments people make sometimes.  And for all the people who are afraid of being a gunner, I have three words of advice.  Don't do it.  Everyone will hate you, the profs won't even like you, it won't help your grade, and you'll have destroyed any relationships with future colleagues.  One of the top kids in our class is also the most hated, just because he won't shut up. . .

The work load was also a surprise.  I knew it would be a lot, but I didn't realize how much.  I remember the first time we were assigned 80 pages for one night in torts, and everyone was complaining about it.  Now we know that upo to 100 pages in one night is totally normal. . .

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Cities: Chicago vs. NYC
« on: May 08, 2006, 11:52:28 AM »
How is chicago crime wise?  I've heard that there are a number of really bad areas, so assuming that's true, are they isolated like in NY?  I mean, Manahattan is one of the safest cities in the country right now, south of Harlem.  It is something to consider (personally, I'd never live in Philly because of the crime rate).

As far as cars go, yeah, don't get one in NY.  I'm from a NJ suburb, so before moving to NY I was totally car dependent.  But I've found that I actually REALLY like walking places, and using public transit.  I think anyone who drives a car in the city has to be rich, crazy, or both.  If you're not from NY, then you can't really appreciate how well the public transit works, cause there isn't another city with such an extensive system anywhere in the Country (Boston and DC have systems, but they don't have anywhere near the coverage).  You give up nothing by not having a car in NYC.

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