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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / UPenn 3L Taking Questions
« on: April 09, 2009, 03:26:11 AM »
Shoot. 

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: March 28, 2009, 11:15:03 PM »
Of course, no one can argue that students should try to be "more proactive and resourceful."  However, I do think that in certain circles (and within our career services office), there has been a blame-the-victim mentality that has led to my unemployed friends being treated poorly.  Some people have assumed that because they don't have jobs, they must have been snotty and only applied to V-100 firms.

I assure you, I have friends who have networked, followed up, practiced interviewing until they're blue in the face--and they still don't have jobs.  They have applied for EVERYTHING--small firms, public interest, government, non-legal... and there's nothing out there for people without experience.  As our economy continues to shed jobs, it just gets worse and worse.

I also agree it would be nice to have a backup plan, but it's hard enough to get ONE job at the moment!


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: March 25, 2009, 12:44:53 AM »
Yeah I feel for you guys in the class of '09.  Nobody is safe.  We're dropping like flies out here.

But truth be told, a few of these 2010 deferment packages that some of you guys are getting sound like a pretty sweet deal.  poo I'll take a year off of work for $75K while I go travel across the world and become a bar tender at some place in the Islands somewhere.  Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it.

Fortunately, I have a clerkship lined up, but if I were among those offered an optional deferment there is NO WAY I would take it unless I truly was not interest in working at a law firm.  I would get my butt to a firm asap, try to pay off/ save as much money as I could, build relationships with partners who will protect me, and work as hard as possible.  There is just no guarantee that a firm will take back the people who accept the deferment, and in fact if I were choosing people to cut I would rather not hire such people than fire hardworking associates....

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3L job search / Re: firstlawjob.com a godsend or a gimmick
« on: March 24, 2009, 02:53:14 AM »
I don't disagree re. dudeman's lack of empathy, but I do find it suspicious that this is UTlawgirl's first post... and it is shilling for a company.  Could she be related to that company, by chance?

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: March 24, 2009, 02:47:49 AM »
Ugh, just found out two other students now don't have jobs here.  One was supposed to work on Wolf Block, the other I just didn't know about.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: March 22, 2009, 08:25:09 PM »
Checking in with Sands and the other associates here.... how are things?  Everyone okay?

I'll be able to tell ya if I make it through 2009.

It's scary out there.

Good luck!  All us 3Ls are terrified.  It's fine to get delayed until Jan.--although it's a bit lame for grown adults to have to go back to live with their parents--but the worst part is the fear that you won't be starting at all!

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: March 22, 2009, 08:13:28 PM »
...one girl just had her offer flat out rescinded...

Can you give us some indication of the firm's market/ranking?

Her offer was rescinded from a DA's office.   One of the other three worked at a DA's office over the summer too, but at the end of the summer they told him, "We like you, but we're on a hiring freeze."  He hasn't been able to find anything else.

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: March 21, 2009, 05:08:06 PM »
I know three 3Ls at my T10 that still don't have jobs, and one girl just had her offer flat out rescinded.  Nearly everyone has had start dates deferred. 

Our timing stinks, but on the bright side at least you don't have too many loans to worry about.  That alone makes you better off than most.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: March 15, 2009, 12:32:03 AM »
Checking in with Sands and the other associates here.... how are things?  Everyone okay?

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General Board / Re: Advice please - law in southern California
« on: March 15, 2009, 12:14:52 AM »
Only you can make this decision, but if you are willing to work for a firm or a reasonably well-paying government position, I would go to UCLA. 

Yes--the economy sucks, so it's not clear that you will easily find a job.  On the other hand, you won't be in the market for a permanent job until 2012, right?  Even the largest economic pessimists expect a great deal of progress by that time.

I'm not sure, as a 0L, that you can truly appreciate the importance of a strong alumni network.  As resumes pour in for a limited number of jobs, your chances of an interview go up exponentially if the person vetting resumes attended your school.  And, once you have the interview, it will go much smoother if you're speaking to an alumnus--they'll want to chat about the professors you had, whether you know certain people, etc.  Basically, going to a well-known school in your target area give you entry into the legal profession.  I have two friends at Drexel Law, which also offered a free ride to their first classes.  One will not be a practicing attorney, so it was a fine decision for her.  The other still cannot get a job, despite being on Law Review and having good grades. 

Now, I think UCLA has a slightly better rep nationwide, but my understanding is that in Cali USC is considered more or less equal.  If that's true, try to play off your acceptance to UCLA to get more money out of USC.  Certainly graduating with as little debt as possible is desirable, but if you actually want to be a lawyer, by going to Irvine you're putting yourself in an incredibly risky position.

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