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Black Law Students / Re: Former gang member...What are my chances?
« on: April 30, 2009, 04:13:58 PM »
2010 Graduate Poli Sci

URM - mom from sierra leone, west africa/ dad jamaican with portugese descent (never met father)
will be first college grad in family. 

3.0-3.1 GPA at graduation if I maintain current pace of straight A's. (Upward Trend-two straight years of all A's. 0.73 GPA after freshman year)

167 LSAT - Shooting for 171-172 on retake

Compelling Personal Statement and LOR's.  Former gang member/been stabbed in torsow/ scars to prove it. Not proud of it, just stating the facts.  Left gang and decided to attend college at 22 yrs. old after best friend was sentenced to 18 years in prison (fed time-no parole).  REALLY turned my life around

Started a youth mentorship program here in Atlanta....My Brother's Keeper which links underprivileged black males with black male college students.

I'm shooting for T-14. HYS and other top of the heap schools etc.

What are my chances?


If you have any convictions/run ins with the law, be upfront about them.  Law Schools tend to favor URM's and if you can write a compelling essay and back it up with the numbers (which look pretty decent), you will get into law school.  Take a shot - there is no harm in applying to HYS etc.
Good luck.  It's nice to see it when someone turns their challenging life into something positive!

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: How difficult can it really be... seriously?
« on: April 30, 2009, 04:08:39 PM »
Shut up, LawDog.

Why couldn't you write a law school exam, Alfalfa?  Nervousness?  Inability to spot issues?  I don't entirely believe you.

I am going to have so much fun creaming you arroggant phonies. Just like I did in undergrad...you are next.

See you in class or Moot Court.  ;)

This is funny because every time I see one of LawDog's posts my thoughts are, word for word: "What an arrogant phony!"

;)



And there you go again...the gang. That's cowardly, really. All white people do is gang up on intelligent Black people in hopes that you will prove them inferior. And what bothers you about me is that you know you cannot shake me. That type of strength scares you b/c if YOU were in my situation, i.e., hated by many, you would have left a long time ago. You don't have the type of strength I have.



Lawdog is black?  Who knew?
I find it a little disingenuous when people get upset and cry racism.  How would any of us know you were black unless you told us?
That said, it sounds like you might want to take a little LSD break.  It sure helped me.  If you feel ganged up on, it's either because you are or because you are too sensitive.
As a conservative minded centrist, I feel hated and reviled every time I criticize President Obama, which is especially irritating because I object to substantive matters and usually have to listen to someone say either "Give him a chance" or "What are you, a racist?" - neither of which make much sense to a pragmatist like me.
Here's an idea - in order for race relations to improve, you could spend less time thinking like a 'black man' and more time thinking like a human.
Just a suggestion.
Good luck, lawdog.  Believe it or not, I get it.

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Getting to maybe
law school confidential
Bridging the Gap Between College and Law School: Strategies for Success

All 3 are helpful.
But if you are wise, you might consider reading these books early and giving yourself some time off to relax.  Law school can be stressful enough and you need to fill your batteries now - there wont be time once classes start.
Don't worry... Some of the students in your class will CLAIM they studied and worked hard to prep for law school.  Most are lying.  And everyone is clueless for a few weeks no matter what.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: How difficult can it really be... seriously?
« on: April 15, 2009, 03:35:50 PM »
- 100 pages of reading per class, per week minimum (most of this reading is disjointed, difficult, and in very small print - I had to buy reading glasses to relieve eye strain)
- Having to stand up in class and openly expose your intellect and understanding in front of 70 or so people who think they are smarter than you
- I wrote 3 memos in the first semester that contained legal analysis and required hours of research.  The first was 8 pages, the second was 14 pages, and the third was 26 pages.  Screw up the analysis?  Fail. 
- Pressure to perform.  In undergrad, very few classes adhere to a strict curve.  In law school, particularly in the first year, many schools adopt a curve that requires 10% of the class to get a D or an F, regardless of the percentage of correct answers.  I know someone who got 85% of the answers correct and still got a C-.  Converesly, I know biology majors who answered 35% of their finals questions correct and received a B+.
- Law students are more competitive, more driven, and typically smarter than your average college student.
- College courses are about learning simple facts and formulas.  Law School courses are about learning facts and formulas, then being able to recognize issues and apply what you've learned to a specific set of hypothetical fact patterns.
- You can screw off in college and still pass classes.  You can't 'fake it' through law school.  Those who think they can often find out that, in fact, you can't.
- Money stress.  Colleges, especially in state tuition, is reasonable.  Law school tuitions tend to be staggering.  Going through classes knowing that you might graduate with $150k in debt can really mess with your head.
- Law professors.  College prof's tend to be approachable, nice, and want you to succeed.  Law school profs send the signal that they are unapproachable jerks who want you to fail because you are wasting their time.
- Studying.  I passed a few college courses by 'cramming' the material.  You can't cram for law school finals.
- grading.  Most college courses have graded assignments and it is easy to figure out where you stand throughout the semester.  Most law school courses have no graded assignments and your entire grade comes from the results of a 3 hour test at the end of the semester.  Oh yeah, there isn't extra credit in law school.

Law school is likely to be the most difficult challenge you will have faced in your life.  Don't take it lightly.


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Seems to me like this is the case, but maybe it's just that I'm more attracted to the type of woman who would go to law school.  Generally, chicks who go to grad school aren't very attractive.  I'm not saying they're not pretty, it's just that they tend not to take good care of themselves (it doesn't help that they like to go sockless in birkenstocks that essentially provide a perfect nurturing environment for fungi and bacteria). 

Maybe business school chicks are hotter?

No.
You might think law school ladies are hotter, but that's likely because you will spend more time around them than other graduate students.  Based on what I've experienced, the only thing hotter about law schools ladies is that they tend to be very smart, very quick minded, and very self assured.  Of course, those are the things some of us guys feel is more important than looks.

hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah a liar.

fair enough.
I'll rephrase.  Those are traits I find more important than looks.
I've dated gorgeous morons before and while it was fun for a while, the thrill is gone after a few weeks.  The girls that I know that go to law school tend to be less physically attractive, on the whole, than the women at any of the jobs I've held (including a fortune 500 company and 3 restaurant companies).
I can honestly say that out of the 35 or so girls in my class, one could be rated an 8.5 (and she was engaged), with the bulk of them hovering between 2 and 6.  I was never tempted, even once, to try anything with any of them.  Truth is, there way hotter women at your local tavern on any given night than there are at law school.

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Cheaper and easier to get an MBA.
Takes less time too.
If you don't want to practice, why go to law school?  You can make just as good a living going to a good b-school and save yourself a lot of headaches and torture.
My ex went to b-school.  She would talk about the things she was learning and the only thing that I wasn't comfortable is the math.  Which is why many of us go to law school.  Math.


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Let me go ahead and rewrite the above post if you don't mind.  Sorry it just doesn't sound right, not trying to be condescending.

Obtaining an MBA is cheaper, easier, and takes less time.  If you don't want to practice law, why go to law school?  A person with an MBA can make as good of a living as a person who has a law degree.  Save yourself a lot of headaches and torture and get an MBA. My ex went to a B-school and would talk to me about the things she was learning.  The only thing I wasn't comfortable hearing about was the math involved. Not being comfortable with math is why many lawyers go to law school.


Truth is, you can feel free to rewrite whatever you want.  It doesn't bother me at all.  8)

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Cheaper and easier to get an MBA.
Takes less time too.
If you don't want to practice, why go to law school?  You can make just as good a living going to a good b-school and save yourself a lot of headaches and torture.
My ex went to b-school.  She would talk about the things she was learning and the only thing that I wasn't comfortable is the math.  Which is why many of us go to law school.  Math.

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Seems to me like this is the case, but maybe it's just that I'm more attracted to the type of woman who would go to law school.  Generally, chicks who go to grad school aren't very attractive.  I'm not saying they're not pretty, it's just that they tend not to take good care of themselves (it doesn't help that they like to go sockless in birkenstocks that essentially provide a perfect nurturing environment for fungi and bacteria). 

Maybe business school chicks are hotter?

No.
You might think law school ladies are hotter, but that's likely because you will spend more time around them than other graduate students.  Based on what I've experienced, the only thing hotter about law schools ladies is that they tend to be very smart, very quick minded, and very self assured.  Of course, those are the things some of us guys feel is more important than looks.

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Current Law Students / Re: laptops
« on: April 13, 2009, 10:37:20 PM »
Rather than starting a new thread, I wanted to ask here, if anyone has an opinion on pc vs. mac for law school...I doubt it would matter. I am curious if the typing on a macbook makes a difference? And, for those using pc laptops, anyone care to comment about favorites (in terms of reliability or keyboard)?

Check with your law school - there are varying levels of available support for mac.  Every law school is set up for PC.  Not every law school is properly set up for mac.  Most can make it work.  Where I go, the IT department provides basic support for free (for PC's only).

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Kinda makes sense to me.  I mean the randomness.  However, I'm not at the top of the class... so I'd say that. 

But if it really were easier to do well at lower ranked schools, why would anybody with a 171 go to, say, Corneell?  Assuming your LSAT score correlates with performance, you'd just be mediocre.  why not go to GW instead and be in the top 1%?  Won't your job prospects be better?

It depends on how much lower.  I go to what most refer to as a TTT.
I've seen very smart people do poorly and very, very dumb people do well.  Grades can be fairly random and unpredictable.  Go to the best school you can, and I'd think you'd have a better shot.

Another thing to consider is that at some of the best schools, it is almost impossible to fail out.  Based on what I've seen, failing out of, say, Harvard is considerably more difficult than failing out of, say, Cooley.

For example, Harvard had zero academic dismissals.  GW had zero 1L academic dismissal.  Cornell had 3, all 2L's.  Contrast that with NIU, which is a bargain if you are in state, who had 3 academic dismissals of 1L's or JMLS, where they regularly dismiss 10% of every class....

I don't know if there is an answer, but I'd say go to the best school you can, and if it isn't that much better than your other options, go with the cheapest.  Debt loads are killers.

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