You say cooley is the retard in class, but if we're smarter than you whats that say about you Einstein?
Thought I'm sure you think what you wrote illustrates a superior intellect, I assure you that your opinion is both flawed and baseless.
Nothing you have said has proven that you are 'smarter than' me. What it says about me is that I understand the English language, logic, and the importance of knowing that I do not know everything.
What does it say about you that to date you have not received a single vote of support in your clearly incorrect stream of assertions? That you are smart? That you are correct? It says that you are delusional and confused. You have not only failed to prove a higher intelligence, but failed to adequately argue your own position.
Your argument seems to rely on several factual inaccuracies, almost entirely grounded in your mistaken beliefs, assumptions, and understanding. You rely on ad hominem and them wonder why you yourself have fallen victim to it. Yup, you sure are smarter than me.
You asked for opinions. I gave one. Specifically, you asked about FBI background checks prior to making an application. I questioned as to why it would be necessary, since it only serves to either correctly or incorrectly allow you to lie on your application. Next, I tried to explain that intentionally providing misleading and factually incorrect information on an application in an effort to avoid a problem runs a very high risk of backfiring and actually causing a problem during the C&F portion of your bar application, assuming you are capable of making it through law school. Your responses have been bewildering. I suggested hiring an attorney to pull your records and you reacted by making an argument against the need to hire an attorney for anything you believe you are qualified to do yourself. To strengthen your argument, you advocate that a wino is allowed to argue his own case, either ignoring or showing your own ignorance that though this is a technically allowable course of action, the results of such a poorly considered option would inarguably be disastrous.
Finally, you seem to be proud of attending (or perhaps hoping to attend) on of the lowest ranked and least respected law school in the country. To make this a little clearer for you, I never said Cooley is the "retard in class", you did. I said that if the school has encouraged you to believe that lying on a law school application is acceptable if there is no record due to expungement, they have already failed you.
Instead of loudly proclaiming your own stupidity by attacking others as less "smart", why not explain why the FBI check is necessary? What question can be altered with this knowledge?
This was taken directly from the Cooley application:
"CHARACTER AND FITNESS QUESTIONS: The remaining questions require you to disclose whether you have a history of criminal or civil offenses or academic, work-related, or military disciplinary actions, whether those matters appear on your record or not. The Thomas M. Cooley Law School does not necessarily deny admission simply because an applicant has a history of criminal or civil offenses or disciplinary matters. In making admissions decisions, the Law School considers the nature, number, and date of offenses in light of the requirements for participation in its programs. If you do not disclose your complete history here, regardless of your reason or state of mind, the Law School may, upon discovering your failure to disclose, subject you to discipline up to and including denial of admission, revocation of admission,
suspension or dismissal after matriculation, withdrawal of certification of graduation to bar authorities, or revocation of degree. The Law School has imposed all of these sanctions. Even if the law school does not discover your history before you graduate, bar investigation and licensing authorities will do so when you apply for bar admission. These authorities will inform the law school, which may initiate disciplinary proceedings for failure to disclose. The Thomas M. Cooley Law School reserves the right to conduct complete history checks of any applicant. Failure to cooperate completely in this process will result in denial of the opportunity to matriculate and revocation of acceptance. (If you are not sure about the nature or ultimate disposition of a particular charge, you must check court records before you answer the following questions.)"
"HAVE YOU EVER HAD A CRIMINAL CONVICTION EXPUNGED, SET ASIDE, SEALED, OR OTHERWISE DECLARED CONFIDENTIAL?"
So, as I stated prior to having to f-ing spell it out for you - WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE FBI BACKGROUND CHECK?
Is it to avoid answering a question honestly? Or are you merely curious if the case your were charged with had been completely erased?
See, a smart person would recognize how truly insignificant of a question you asked. Failure to be forthright regarding criminal or civil proceedings, charges, convictions, etc. can result in, but is not limited to:
- revocation of acceptance
- denial of admission
- suspension or dismissal after matriculation
- withdrawal of certification of graduation to bar authorities
- revocation of degree
- denial of bar certification pre or post bar passage
So to answer your initial question: Though some have presumably done this, the fact that a record has been expunged does not give you license to misrepresent, omit, obscure, or flat out lie about any part of your history. There is a high risk involved in relying on the FBI check because failure to accurately answer questions as to your criminal/civil legal past will likely result in you not being able to practice law, attend law school, or obtain a JD.
That's enough for now. If you were truly "smarter" than me, you might have taken to time to recognize just how ridiculous your initial question and subsequent responses have been.
Again, good luck to you. I hope you didn't choose to lie about expunged records. If you did, say goodbye to any hope of ever practicing law (or be "smart" and once admitted, amend your responses with the correct department in the law school). I sure hope your potential future clients are unaware of your opinion that consulting an attorney on matters significant is a stupid, wasteful enterprise or else you may find yourself penniless.