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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:05:50 PM »

I spoke with a dean about readmission, but they didn't have much information to give.  Essentially, they accept petitions in February of each year.  They usually get 12-16 and admit 4-6. 

Wow, that is eye opening, as no one flunked out of my school that I know of (I'd always check the grade distributions for my classes after each semester, and for each class, there were usually one or two Cs, and a handful of C+s, but that's about as low as it went).  I'm just writing because that was really surprising to me. Holy cow...they flunk out so many that there are 12-16 that apply for readmission each year?  That's just shameful that a school would do that, and it really does make me wonder whether the motivation truly is an extra year of tuition money, as one poster alluded to earlier.  I mean, I understand maybe dismissing 1 or 2 a year for truly bad grades, but if they're flunking out 5, 10, 15, 20 whatever it might be (I presume that all 12-16 readmission applicants each year might not necessarily be from the same class and also that not all dismissed students reapply, so who knows what the annual number really is), then that's B.S.  No "academic-probation" either?  Sorry, I know this post wasn't helpful to your question, I just wanted to express my indignation at your situation. 


I'm past my own indignation, but appreciate your expression.
To be clear: my school has a one semester tolerance threshold and fails out approximately 30-40 students per year.  In many schools, particularly the better ones, there seems to be very little if any academic dismissals.  My school academically dismisses more students per year than all the other law schools in the states COMBINED.

It is, quite clearly, a money thing.  They have no problem dismissing 30-40 students per year.  Their excuse is bar passage rates and some nonsense about increasing said rates, but their bar passage rate seems to be fairly steady over the last decade or so.  The truth is probably more business oriented than academic in nature.  If you enroll 30-40 students for one year that you anticipate dropping, you make that much more tuition without putting too much of a strain on the institution.  Then, of course, you end up with people like me who are determined to come back and repeat that coursework, meaning they get me to pay for my first semester twice.  Not a bad deal.

Now I don't doubt that of the 15 or so students that were academically dismissed, most deserved it because after looking over some of the names there are few surprises.  However, when I was dismissed, it was a shock.  I remain in touch with many of my classmates and all of them were absolutely shocked to hear about my predicament.  Please understand, this is a systemic issue.  The school requires that Prof's give 10% of the class D's or F's. 

Yet another compelling argument for my readmission is that I scored similarly on every test.  I would understand if I got one bad grade, but every test result was practically identical.  We have a blind grade, so each of my Prof's were besides themselves when I showed up and told them my scores/grade.  Each wanted to help and each was denied that ability after meeting with academic services.  All of my prof's offered to write me a letter of recommendation for readmission, which I think speaks pretty highly of their opinion regarding my abilities and knowledge.

It sucks.  I agree.

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 12:54:54 PM »
I am not trying to be a jerk about things...but seriously. You applied to Cooley, and flunked out of the law school you were in. What makes you this confident that you were "meant to be a lawyer"?

I applied to Cooley because I was interested in their 2 year program, where you go full time year round.  The idea was to become a lawyer as quickly as possible.  When I was accepted to the school I went to, I decided not to attend Cooley because my school has a much better reputation.

To answer your second question, I would point you to my original post.  Unfortunately for law school, and me, there was only one set of tests and one set of testing conditions.  While taking the tests, I was extremely anxious as a result of my add symptoms.  I had never been exposed to such rigorous testing and the ADD made me extremely uncomfortable.  As I stated in the first post, I was the first one out of the test room.  I am this confident because I understood the material and was the class expert.  The problem, and now that I have the ADD in control I am quite sure of this, was the testing conditions.  Now that I'm on meds and have them dialed in, I've been taking practice exams and scoring very well.

I'm not sure why applying to Cooley has any bearing on the matter.  I didn't go there.  Cooley has literally nothing to do with anything.

I also applied to the University of Chicago law school - does that have any bearing on getting advice and help with a petition for readmission?

Thanks for reading.  If you would like to help, please read the opening post of this thread and give me some suggestions.


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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 12:02:22 AM »
Yes.  That's what I was doing.  I was bragging.
Hahahahahahaha.
Thank you for keeping the conversation active.  I do appreciate you checking in on me and letting me know you are still there.  The only question is: why? ???

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 07:40:30 PM »
To the OP:

Are you trying to gain re-admission to the school you were dismissed from, or are you trying to apply to a number of law schools in order to start over? My impression is that you are doing the former, but if you could clarify that point, that might help.

While I do not know of anyone who has petitioned for re-admission, my suggestion would be to contact the Dean's office of your former school to find out what their specific policies are (e.g., submit a whole new application, interview with the deans, etc.).  Once you have some guidance from the school, we can try to help you nail down the specifics of each task.  Good luck.

I'm attempting to gain readmission into the school that dismissed me.  Per ABA rules, I would have to wait another year (!) to apply to other schools.

I spoke with a dean about readmission, but they didn't have much information to give.  Essentially, they accept petitions in February of each year.  They usually get 12-16 and admit 4-6.  They told me they consider extenuating circumstances, changes made to minimize those circumstances, things that happened that may have affected performance, what you've done since being dismissed, etc.

If you have some time, I wrote out a description of what happened in the first post of the thread that might help fill in the details.

Thanks!

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 06:45:52 PM »
Seriously?  Nobody else is thinking what I was thinking right from the start?

     
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I hope you don't mean me....

I'm dead serious.  I am looking for help.  If you know anyone who has successfully petitioned for readmission, I'd love to hear about it.

Suggestions are welcome, so long as they aren't of the 'give up, moron' type.  I've already made up my mind that I am going to try and get back in, so if anyone reading this feels compelled to try to convince me otherwise, they should be forewarned that it is a waste of their time.

I thought that was clear from my first post, but I guess not.

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 04:59:18 PM »
Oh and 3LEMan, where do you go to law school? You make fun of the T4 so well...you sound like a T2/T3 with a major self esteem issue.

I go to GW, and in all honesty, if I had had to pay full-price here I wouldn't have gone.  I opted for GW over a top 10 because it saved me substantial sums of money. 

Also, if you read my posts, I don't have a problem with lower ranked schools, they just aren't worth the cost. 

Finally, your situation was different.  You had a moral screw up as a youth.  The OP failed out of law school, and a crappy one at that........

How do you know how good my law school is exactly?

GW is a great school.  According to LSAC, zero 1st years were academically dismissed.  You should know that my school has the highest dismissal rate in the state I live in.  From what I can tell, the school has a policy in place designed to shed about 10% of each entering class.

Can you lay the @#!* off of me and get on with your life, or are you required now to throw a shot my way to prove how big your cock is?

Cooley?

Nope.  Turned down scholarship money there though....

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 04:57:16 PM »
Generally, schools with a high dismissal rate are toilet schools that shouldn't be around.  It's a money hungry thing to do.  Rather than reject unqualified students, they admit you, then boot you when you inevitably fail....

Thanks for sharing your opinion.  I appreciate it, but couldn't care less.

Don't you have anything else to do, like maybe study?

Yes, you would only like my opinion if it was "you rock."

No.  What I would like is if you would go back and read my initial post where I asked for advice and help.  You might notice this time that I did not ask for your opinion on readmission, but was clearly seeking guidance.

I would love your opinion if you responded to the questions posed in the initial post.  That would be awesome.

But each time you've posted, you've done so to discourage me, make fun of me, rip me and make me feel bad. 

So.  Would you like to be helpful or is your switch stuck on 'a-hole'?

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 04:53:29 PM »
Generally, schools with a high dismissal rate are toilet schools that shouldn't be around.  It's a money hungry thing to do.  Rather than reject unqualified students, they admit you, then boot you when you inevitably fail....

Thanks for sharing your opinion.  I appreciate it, but couldn't care less.

Don't you have anything else to do, like maybe study?

Yes, you would only like my opinion if it was "you rock."

No.  What I would like is if you would go back and read my initial post where I asked for advice and help.  You might notice this time that I did not ask for your opinion on readmission, but was clearly seeking guidance.

I would love your opinion if you responded to the questions posed in the initial post.  That would be awesome.

But each time you've posted, you've done so to discourage me, make fun of me, rip me and make me feel bad. 

So.  Would you like to be helpful or is your switch stuck on 'a-hole'?

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 04:32:06 PM »
OP you seem like a hard working, well spoken, and intelligent person...Surely you will find success at becoming an attorney. Unlike Mr. 3L guy says, everyone does not have a picture perfect past, but this by no means precludes this bunch from having a successful future...Just two years ago I made a large mistake (as a UG) that ended up in a felony charge after a drunken disorderly incident in which a car window got broken...I never would have thought that I would be able to recover, I almost was expelled from my prominent public university (top 3 in the country), I never would have thought I could get into any law school (with a criminal record)...Im sure 3L guy would have told me to give up on my quest to go to law school...My priority track Duke acceptance puts these naysayers to shame...Keep on working, and keep on trying Denny...you do that and your chances of failure are non-existant...you might want to try and re-apply to several law schools though, it sounds like with your situation a law degree and a bar passage is all you need...You don't need a t14 law degree to get gainful employment.

Maturity?  Encouragement?  ON LSD?????@!?!?!?!?!?

:-)

Thanks.  I appreciate you.

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 21, 2008, 04:15:33 PM »
Generally, schools with a high dismissal rate are toilet schools that shouldn't be around.  It's a money hungry thing to do.  Rather than reject unqualified students, they admit you, then boot you when you inevitably fail....

Thanks for sharing your opinion.  I appreciate it, but couldn't care less.

Don't you have anything else to do, like maybe study?

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