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General Board / Re: laptops
« on: April 14, 2009, 12:37:20 AM »
Rather than starting a new thread, I wanted to ask here, if anyone has an opinion on pc vs. mac for law school...I doubt it would matter. I am curious if the typing on a macbook makes a difference? And, for those using pc laptops, anyone care to comment about favorites (in terms of reliability or keyboard)?

Check with your law school - there are varying levels of available support for mac.  Every law school is set up for PC.  Not every law school is properly set up for mac.  Most can make it work.  Where I go, the IT department provides basic support for free (for PC's only).

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Kinda makes sense to me.  I mean the randomness.  However, I'm not at the top of the class... so I'd say that. 

But if it really were easier to do well at lower ranked schools, why would anybody with a 171 go to, say, Corneell?  Assuming your LSAT score correlates with performance, you'd just be mediocre.  why not go to GW instead and be in the top 1%?  Won't your job prospects be better?

It depends on how much lower.  I go to what most refer to as a TTT.
I've seen very smart people do poorly and very, very dumb people do well.  Grades can be fairly random and unpredictable.  Go to the best school you can, and I'd think you'd have a better shot.

Another thing to consider is that at some of the best schools, it is almost impossible to fail out.  Based on what I've seen, failing out of, say, Harvard is considerably more difficult than failing out of, say, Cooley.

For example, Harvard had zero academic dismissals.  GW had zero 1L academic dismissal.  Cornell had 3, all 2L's.  Contrast that with NIU, which is a bargain if you are in state, who had 3 academic dismissals of 1L's or JMLS, where they regularly dismiss 10% of every class....

I don't know if there is an answer, but I'd say go to the best school you can, and if it isn't that much better than your other options, go with the cheapest.  Debt loads are killers.

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: April 14, 2009, 12:23:20 AM »
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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: April 14, 2009, 12:22:45 AM »
Congratulations - I wish you much success!

Thanks!

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: April 13, 2009, 01:10:54 AM »
I just found out that I am back in starting in the fall.
My advice for anyone going through this is simple:
If you want it bad enough, go for it.  I've made some major changes to my life and expect a far different result this go around.  If you have true mitigating circumstances and have made changes to your life, you have a shot.  Don't give up unless you've decided that law school wasn't for you.  Do that on your own - folks around here are more than happy to try to convince you to give up.  Only you can make that decision.  Well, you and the law school...
Good luck to all - even those who "be hatin". 

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 24, 2008, 01:59:14 PM »
Denny,

I was reading your initial explanation why you did so bad on the tests and one question is still lurking in my mind. Did you take any sample exams during your preparation time?

It seems like you were really devoted to classroom participation and the whole socializing thing. You mentioned that you studied from outlines and supplements in a study group, comments to others, explained concepts, etc.  It all seems like your ADD condition prevents you from focusing on something for a long time (let's say 2-3 hours during an exam).

The reason I am asking this question is to learn from your mistakes, and also to make you think if you would be able to sit on the Bar exam for the whole day writing and analyzing something without ever talking to anyone. When you become an attorney, you would spend hours drafting briefs and motions, doing extensive research, while again never having to talk to anyone for at least a couple of hours. Can you do it?


Excellent points all.

Unfortunately, I did not sit for practice exams (yet another thing I will point to in my petition - this was a bad strategy).  Without a question, this would have helped me to prepare and I'm more than a little upset at myself for not taking practice exams.  Each of my prof's told us that they do not have old tests on file, so my study group and I left that alone (mistake).

As to the rest, since dialing in my meds I have taken practice exams and done quite well on them.  You are correct that my symptoms revolved around sitting for extended periods of time in testing conditions.  Primarily, my response was one that can best be described as anxiety.  I found myself frustrated during the tests and wanting nothing more than to be done and leave.  Since dialing in the meds, these problems appear to have resolved themselves.  I no longer get tense, anxious and frustrated and my current clerking requires that I read a few hundred pages of testimony searching for irregularities and basis' for legal challenges.  I've noticed a massive difference in my performance from when I first started doing this (without meds) to now (with them).

I currently spend a few hours a week drafting motions and briefs at the firm now and have noticed a vast difference in my ability to perform since I started taking medication.

Finally, to answer your question:  Yes.  I believe I can do it now.

One major obstacle was my stubborn nature - I didn't WANT to be on meds.  Another was that my only law school testing experience was the midterm and that result was tainted by the loss of my grandfather the morning of the test (literally two hours prior).

I believe that now I am far more able and believe that things will be much more reasonable.

Thanks for the post.  Stuff like this is very helpful.  I am quite sure the readmission board would like to see that I am able to identify some of the issues that made my experience difficult and have worked to minimize it.

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:21:25 PM »
I think what you need to do is just reapply and see how it goes. It may take more than one attempt to get back in. But be sure not to come off as whiney, which you could without even knowing it. Its easy with hindsight to see ADD as the only problem with your grades. But I think there is more to it, and you need to be open to that in your reapplication. You need to demonstrate that you are a different person than when you last talked law school, not just a medicated person.

Taking the mediation is part of that, but it won稚 I think, nor should it be the premise of your reapplication that is a cure-all. Its not, trust me. I have ADD plus I am severally dyslexic. I did not take meds for my first two years of law school for ADD and they don稚 make meds for dyslexic. My grades were good. I知 not saying your ADD was not part of the problem, it likely was a big part of it, but there are other things going on as well. I would make sure the adcoms understand that YOU understand that. I would also advise you take a look at some of the excellent books out there on how to take law school exams, that might help you as well.

Being medicated and having a better understanding of what professors are looking for on exams can稚 do anything to hurt you. 


Excellent.  Thanks.
I bought LEEWS just after the semester ended and plan on tacking that in the next few weeks or so.
Do you have any other names of books/programs that you could recommend?



A lot of people like Getting to Maybe, I never read it though. I did read "How to do your best on law schools exams" and I thought that was pretty good for explaining what profs were looking to see on exams. Both you can get through Amazon I think

Awesome.  I have access to a copy of Getting to Maybe, so I'll read that next and check out How to do... later.

Thanks a lot!

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:14:28 PM »
I think what you need to do is just reapply and see how it goes. It may take more than one attempt to get back in. But be sure not to come off as whiney, which you could without even knowing it. Its easy with hindsight to see ADD as the only problem with your grades. But I think there is more to it, and you need to be open to that in your reapplication. You need to demonstrate that you are a different person than when you last talked law school, not just a medicated person.

Taking the mediation is part of that, but it won稚 I think, nor should it be the premise of your reapplication that is a cure-all. Its not, trust me. I have ADD plus I am severally dyslexic. I did not take meds for my first two years of law school for ADD and they don稚 make meds for dyslexic. My grades were good. I知 not saying your ADD was not part of the problem, it likely was a big part of it, but there are other things going on as well. I would make sure the adcoms understand that YOU understand that. I would also advise you take a look at some of the excellent books out there on how to take law school exams, that might help you as well.

Being medicated and having a better understanding of what professors are looking for on exams can稚 do anything to hurt you. 


Excellent.  Thanks.
I bought LEEWS just after the semester ended and plan on tacking that in the next few weeks or so.
Do you have any other names of books/programs that you could recommend?


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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:13:07 PM »
Denny, I don't know enough either way to offer you meaningful advice on readmission, but with regard to 3LEMan, just ignore him.  Any time one gets really personal on a message board, he or she is bound to receive about 90% crap and 10% good advice.  Take the 10% and move on.  Don't even comment on the other 90%.  Invariably, these are people who mostly thrive on reactions, and after reading this thread, you have reacted plenty. 

Excellent advice.
I will take it and ignore 3LEMan.
Clearly he is unhappy and has been using my thread to feel better about himself.   ::)

Thanks!

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General Board / Re: Petition for readmission - help?
« on: October 22, 2008, 01:08:34 PM »

I spoke with a dean about readmission, but they didn't have much information to give.  Essentially, they accept petitions in February of each year.  They usually get 12-16 and admit 4-6. 

Wow, that is eye opening, as no one flunked out of my school that I know of (I'd always check the grade distributions for my classes after each semester, and for each class, there were usually one or two Cs, and a handful of C+s, but that's about as low as it went).  I'm just writing because that was really surprising to me. Holy cow...they flunk out so many that there are 12-16 that apply for readmission each year?  That's just shameful that a school would do that, and it really does make me wonder whether the motivation truly is an extra year of tuition money, as one poster alluded to earlier.  I mean, I understand maybe dismissing 1 or 2 a year for truly bad grades, but if they're flunking out 5, 10, 15, 20 whatever it might be (I presume that all 12-16 readmission applicants each year might not necessarily be from the same class and also that not all dismissed students reapply, so who knows what the annual number really is), then that's B.S.  No "academic-probation" either?  Sorry, I know this post wasn't helpful to your question, I just wanted to express my indignation at your situation. 


I'm past my own indignation, but appreciate your expression.
To be clear: my school has a one semester tolerance threshold and fails out approximately 30-40 students per year.  In many schools, particularly the better ones, there seems to be very little if any academic dismissals.  My school academically dismisses more students per year than all the other law schools in the states COMBINED.

It is, quite clearly, a money thing.  They have no problem dismissing 30-40 students per year.  Their excuse is bar passage rates and some nonsense about increasing said rates, but their bar passage rate seems to be fairly steady over the last decade or so.  The truth is probably more business oriented than academic in nature.  If you enroll 30-40 students for one year that you anticipate dropping, you make that much more tuition without putting too much of a strain on the institution.  Then, of course, you end up with people like me who are determined to come back and repeat that coursework, meaning they get me to pay for my first semester twice.  Not a bad deal.

Now I don't doubt that of the 15 or so students that were academically dismissed, most deserved it because after looking over some of the names there are few surprises.  However, when I was dismissed, it was a shock.  I remain in touch with many of my classmates and all of them were absolutely shocked to hear about my predicament.  Please understand, this is a systemic issue.  The school requires that Prof's give 10% of the class D's or F's. 

Yet another compelling argument for my readmission is that I scored similarly on every test.  I would understand if I got one bad grade, but every test result was practically identical.  We have a blind grade, so each of my Prof's were besides themselves when I showed up and told them my scores/grade.  Each wanted to help and each was denied that ability after meeting with academic services.  All of my prof's offered to write me a letter of recommendation for readmission, which I think speaks pretty highly of their opinion regarding my abilities and knowledge.

It sucks.  I agree.

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