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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: December 28, 2009, 11:55:01 AM »
Good luck vb!


ION:  I saw the fb page for my graduating year of high school.  I'm (sort of) amazed about the amount of girls that now go by stripper names.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: December 27, 2009, 06:32:47 PM »
::demonstrates strength to thread::



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: How do I get out of ED
« on: December 24, 2009, 07:16:12 AM »

Do you think Duke would really give a scholarship to someone who signed a binding agreement and then decides to try to hold them over a barrel?  I would think that Duke would be more than willing to say have fun toiling around for the next year.

Zero chance Duke will give a scholarship by waving an HLS acceptance in their face.  ZERO.  It is an absurd thing to do.  Some people on this site just give the most terrible advice that it boggles my mind and actually makes me angry!!!

Duke is far more likely to REVOKE your ED than to give you one cent of scholarship money if you do that, and not only that, they will probably tell other schools to blacklist your ass.


Why zero chance? Duke is < Harvard, they're aware of that fact, and schools give out scholarship money based on your ability to get into better schools. The ED factor is unique here, but I fail to see why that absolutely precludes the possibility of the OP shaking some cash out of Dook by leveraging the H acceptance. Sure OP might just end up sitting out a year, but if they're fine with that, it's no big deal.

As for the quality of my advice, aren't you still working on the LSAT? I've done the application process myself and I've seen more than a few people leverage acceptances at better schools into scholarships at lesser schools. Granted I've never seen it with an ED app, but I also don't know anyone that got accepted into somewhere on ED, so I really don't know if it would work or not. And besides, all I said was that the OP could try it, not that they should.

Lol at the mafioso outlook on law schools. You're not going to get blacklisted because you decided not to go to school for a year after asking for scholarship money. This is a belief born of the myth and fear propagated by 0Ls. OP might not get back into Duke if they break their ED, but they're not going to be blackballed either.

Whether you have gone through the actual application process (once) does not in any way legitimize your advice or signify that you  are in a better position than me to offer advice.  Early Decision is binding.  It means that if you get in, you must immediately withdraw all other applications. It means that if you get in you have absolutely no opportunity to  accept an offer from another school.  Telling Duke that you will not go at all unless they give you scholarship money because you have a Harvard acceptance is ridiculous. While he won't be blacklisted per se, it is still possible that the admissions office shares this kind of behavior with other schools.  Schools do talk to each other.  If he were to take your advice and go to Duke waving that HLS acceptance in their face, and then he decides after all not to go to Duke after Duke immediately denies his request for scholarship money, there is a great chance that Duke admissions will be making some calls. This will not help OP in the following admissions cycle.


There was an applicant who posted on LSD a few years ago.  He posted significant identifying information on these boards.  Based off what he posted here, Texas Law believed that his app to their school contained misleading information in regards to his race/ethnicity.  Texas viewed his LSN and then contacted his other schools about what they felt might be an impropriety in the application.  The point is, I have no clue whether Duke would contact other schools or if this would be a reason for Duke to contact other schools - but schools do talk and share information.  Considering that one who signs an ED is required to immediately withdraw all applications from all schools, leveraging for money seems like a particularly immoral decision.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: How do I get out of ED
« on: December 22, 2009, 02:26:41 PM »
You're probably screwed on Harvard (for this year), but you could use the Harvard acceptance to play hardball with Duke for a scholarship if they're not already giving you one. You could diplomatically tell them they either need to give you a really good scholarship or you just won't go to law school this year. Then, you either get a good deal at Duke or you get to sit out the year and reapply next year.

But hey, worst case, you end up at Duke. It's a good problem to have.

Do you think Duke would really give a scholarship to someone who signed a binding agreement and then decides to try to hold them over a barrel?  I would think that Duke would be more than willing to say have fun toiling around for the next year.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: December 21, 2009, 09:35:14 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that the swifter mop is not as good as the mop itself.

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General Board / Re: Why do BigLaw lawyers work so many hours
« on: December 21, 2009, 02:00:14 PM »
All of the above, plus the fact that time literally equals money.

I understand your point that if, say, a specific case requires a finite amount of work, then staffing 20 associates on it instead of 10 should allow everybody to work half as hard.  But in reality, with a good case (/deal) flow, the 20 would finish early but then just go to work on something else.  Either way, if you're sending lawyers home early, you're wasting money.

(Also, firms aren't economies of scale necessarily.  The overhead for each new lawyer (beyond salary) is pretty significant.  You want to hire some more people to make Nikes or whatever, great, stick them in a corner somewhere.  But you want to hire some more biglaw associates, you're going to need to find them their own offices (in your swanky building) (cubicles are for paralegals), their own secretaries, their own gold-plated benefits packages, and so forth.  All this stuff makes perfect sense if you can bill a guy out for $700k every year; not quite so much if he's generating half that.)

Excellent post.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: December 20, 2009, 11:30:46 AM »
It appears that the Pre-Law and the General board have been combined.  I agree with Earl Cat that many of the boards should be combined.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: New Rankings, what month?
« on: December 19, 2009, 04:21:53 PM »
Thanks, so prob just a TAD late for decisions. Too bad.  ;D

From what I've heard, this is intentional to a degree.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: New Rankings, what month?
« on: December 19, 2009, 03:05:32 PM »
Just wondering what month new rankings out? I know a few movements shouldn't change my decision, but I am curious if I will get to see an update before committing to a school in this cycle.

Thanks,
W

I believe that it's generally late March or early April.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: December 19, 2009, 10:32:31 AM »
He's a big ginger.  Maybe it wasn't a great idea for him to wear an orangish camel hair jacket that "looks like it's made out of my beard".  :)

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