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Sorry it got deleted by mistake when I was editing it, yes it could be a placement outside of the formal program, sorry for the confussion.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Canadian Salaries?
« on: October 04, 2008, 10:14:34 AM »
I really do not think there is any Canadian market that compares to NYC, BigLaw in the Big Apple pay starting associates $160,000 currently and summer students can make upwards of 3,000 a week, most firms prorate their starting associates rate for summer students.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Joint LLB/JD through Osgoode/NYU
« on: October 04, 2008, 10:10:10 AM »
From what I know there are three joint JD/LLB programs, Osgoode/NYU, Ottawa/Michigan State and Windsor/Detriot Mercy, there might be another but I do not know.

The only one from the JD standpoint that will have any real pull on a national scope in the states is NYU, which is a Top 5 Tier 1 law school. You will have a shot at Biglaw in major markets if that is what you desire, which in NYC means a starting salary for a first year associate of $160,000.

Michigan State and Detroit Mercy fall into the Tier 3 and 4 categories respectively, which is not to take anything away from them but you will be in a totally different league when it comes to recruting time. Don't expect

From the Canadian standpoint Osgoode is a top flight school, it sees its students go to prestige law firms on both sides of the border each year. Ottawa is pretty good, it ranks about in the middle while Windsor is towards the bottom, but you also have to remember is Canada only has 16 common law schools. Just some info for anyone that wants it.

Current Law Students / Re: A few law school questions
« on: October 04, 2008, 09:47:10 AM »
1.  US News no longer has a Tier 2.  But most people consider 50-100 Tier 2
2.  The factors that go into individual ranking also go into T3/T4.  The only problem with T3/T4 being non-ranked is that it's really really hard to tell which schools in that group actually deserve the TTT and which ones are decent schools.  Once you get to the T3 line, you've really got to do your homework on each school individually.
3.  The T14 is a group of schools thought to have truly national placement.  If the 15 and 16 ranked schools wind up with that level of true national placement, then I would imagine the category would change.  As more and more law schools get accredited, I would look for the T14 to expand to 15/16 in the next decade.

Thanks for tne insight, greatly appreciated, just one question in answer 2, what is TTT?

Current Law Students / A few law school questions
« on: October 04, 2008, 09:24:08 AM »
I have any a few law school questions that if anyone could provide some info on it would be great.

1. Does Tier 2 still exist, it looks like US News has made all Top 100 schools Tier 1 and the rest Tier 3 and 4.

2. Without an assigned score on the ranks how do they give one school a Tier 3 ranking and another Tier 4?

3. Why do a lot of people refer to the group T14, how do the top 14 schools get grouped and not say top 15?

Just a few thoughts that crossed my mind

Thanks for the insight YBR, it was good to read, I am curious just how common are summer students at Vault firms outside of the official summer program?

Job Search / Re: S A got goodies
« on: October 03, 2008, 08:54:48 PM »
I was pointing out to keep things up raps, don't get caught up in anything, I know in my hometown of Toronto there is a famous story regarding a senior partner of top flight Toronto firm who was merging with a NYC firm, he got totally smashed at a party celebrating the merger and ended up groping some the female associates from the US, it completely got out of hand.

From my understanding the person you meet with is not always the one who actually makes the hires, in many cases especially big firms with formal student programs, they have committess that make collective choices.

Job Search / Re: S A got goodies
« on: October 03, 2008, 05:53:19 PM »
I just think that going to firm parties before you have starting working can be a little dangerous, first thing is you really do not know anyone yet and as a result meeting them in a social enviroment with liquour involved might not be the best thing, I think it is a preasure that you should just avoid, once you get there enjoy the social evenings and events.

A friend of mine goes to a mid-range T3 school but due a close family connection have been afforded an opportunity to work at a V10 firm during the summer,He is a little bit torn about this because in reality he would never qualify for such a position in any other circumstance.

Do you think taking it could hurt him in the future because mid to small firms could be scared off by seeing such a firm on the resume especially if he were not asked back by the such V10 firm, wondering what happened, I assume in most circumstances 2L summer students at V10 firms at least get an offer to stay on after school, I mean money is not an issue with firms at this level.

One question do biglaw firms have students beyond their student program?

Any insight into this situation would be great.

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