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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 12:59:34 PM »


My current gpa is 3.7.  I did have a 4.0 until I got slammed with a B- on a class that everyone else failed and several students are appealing the grade administratively.

My firm really is great, but like most law firms who designate senior partners, partners, and associates, there is a todem pole and it is strictly enforced.  Sort of scares me. 
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The best thing you can do is work on keeping that GPA as high as possible, maybe join a few groups for EC
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I am really into debate and moot court (if that is even an option during undergrad) apparently, there are no groups at my school.  My pre-law advisor suggested I head one up, but with work and school and other things (I am on the board of directors for my local chapter of the sports car club of america and on a animal adoption rescue agency).  BTW, does volunteer stuff help me at all on an app?  Its not like a women's shelter or anything but . . . its something.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 12:54:31 PM »
Approach Kaplan like you would approach someone with the plague.  Take a powerscore course or, better yet, just get powerscore books and study by yourself.  I recommend powerscore because it is what I use.  I have found it to be incredibly helpful and it provides more than enough strategy (as well as ACTUAL questions).  Go powerscore and you can't go wrong.

Very good to know, thanks!  I guess I was thinking one by one test prep schools will be shut down (lsat people thinking unfair advantage, I don't know).  But I didn't know the underlying story on Blueprint.

So stay away from Kaplan, huh?  There is a Kaplan close to me, so I thought that would be a way to get one-on-one vs. me on my own.  But maybe on my own with Powerscore is better even still?

I've learned so much from you guys in the 24 hours that I have joined this board, its incredible!

Also, someone asked earlier about the chances of me getting in at my firm.  Well, I think I have a good repor with them, but I have seen their requirements that they send to law schools when scouting.  Have to be cum laude, have to be on law review or journal, and have to be top 25% of class.  They only recruit from Top 100 schools. Maybe I would be an exception though given my prior history with the firm?

I think I would really like to get into prosecuting or in-house.  I've seen enough of the law office politics. Assocs get dumped on here, and they, in turn, dump on support staff.


Quit selling yourself short! What's your GPA right now? You're starting thinking about law school way earlier than most and have to opportunity to go anywhere you want! I did the same thing as com with self studying all the Powerscore material, however for some people self-study is not effective and a course is better suited for them. That all depends on your learning habits, however.

If you want to do prosecution or in-house counsel then why worry about the chance of getting employed at the firm that you work at?  From your post, it doesn't sound like it's a great place to work...

I think pretty much every firm only recruits from Top 100 schools, but you'll learn on this board that there is a huge difference between schools within that range.  I'm not talking night and day, I'm talking night and genesis.  There is a wealth of information on these boards, and then there is TimMitchell and Thales.  You will definitely come back for more.

Wait... why I am seperate from the wealth of knowledge

My current gpa is 3.7.  I did have a 4.0 until I got slammed with a B- on a class that everyone else failed and several students are appealing the grade administratively.

My firm really is great, but like most law firms who designate senior partners, partners, and associates, there is a todem pole and it is strictly enforced.  Sort of scares me. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 11:30:51 AM »
Approach Kaplan like you would approach someone with the plague.  Take a powerscore course or, better yet, just get powerscore books and study by yourself.  I recommend powerscore because it is what I use.  I have found it to be incredibly helpful and it provides more than enough strategy (as well as ACTUAL questions).  Go powerscore and you can't go wrong.

Very good to know, thanks!  I guess I was thinking one by one test prep schools will be shut down (lsat people thinking unfair advantage, I don't know).  But I didn't know the underlying story on Blueprint.

So stay away from Kaplan, huh?  There is a Kaplan close to me, so I thought that would be a way to get one-on-one vs. me on my own.  But maybe on my own with Powerscore is better even still?

I've learned so much from you guys in the 24 hours that I have joined this board, its incredible!

Also, someone asked earlier about the chances of me getting in at my firm.  Well, I think I have a good repor with them, but I have seen their requirements that they send to law schools when scouting.  Have to be cum laude, have to be on law review or journal, and have to be top 25% of class.  They only recruit from Top 100 schools. Maybe I would be an exception though given my prior history with the firm?

I think I would really like to get into prosecuting or in-house.  I've seen enough of the law office politics. Assocs get dumped on here, and they, in turn, dump on support staff.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 11:14:59 AM »
I just read this:
Public Service Announcement
 
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On September 12, the Los Angeles Superior Court ordered Blueprint to stop teaching LSAT courses as of October 4, 2008 and to cease offering its online prep materials to students immediately. This decision impacts all current and prospective Blueprint students. Kaplan recognizes the shut down could not have come at a worse time and wants to make sure you those students know what options are available to them. Most notably, Kaplan is allowing affected students to enroll in any Kaplan comprehensive course for the December LSAT free of charge or at a discount.

For more information on the Court order and on how Kaplan is aiding affected students, please visit Kaplan's website.


So should I be enrolling now, while I still can as a sophmore in my undergrad!? Yikes! I did intend on takign one of these!

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 11:11:23 AM »
In the city in which I live which is 20 miles east of South Bend, most of our workers are laid off and our companies have shut down which is very, very scary.  South Bend is home to the AM General Plant (where they make hummers) so that's sort of a big deal, other than that, not much to boast about.


If I had to make a prediction, I'd say that plant is next.  Hummers = the way of the dinosaurs.

Yep, I'm afraid you are right on that.  They make humvees too for the military, but if our entire government is broke, then that will be cut back as well.  Anyway, do not want to get into an economic debate, but def this part of the country and my part of the state is certainly feeling the "pinch."  (sucker punch).

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 10:28:04 AM »

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 :-[ How is the campus life?
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From what I understand the campus life makes up for the lack of what South Bend has to offer.  Students have more on campus socials and parties and create their own fun.  South Bend has a minor league softball team and is (thank god) not too far from Chicago.  Also about an hour and a half from Ft. Wayne and 3 hours from Indy, so if you are a big city person, there are options, if your willing to travel.  There are a couple of movie theatres, one shopping mall that is fairly good sized with nationaly known stores, and there are alot of jobs here for college students (lots of retail opportunities, restaraunts, bookstores, etc.)  We are in a real economy slump right now as our main economic anchor has been the manufacturing industry (mostly recreational which is really poor right now).  In the city in which I live which is 20 miles east of South Bend, most of our workers are laid off and our companies have shut down which is very, very scary.  South Bend is home to the AM General Plant (where they make hummers) so that's sort of a big deal, other than that, not much to boast about. You may be interested in reading this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bend,_IN

The ND campus is beautiful. I grew up within a short bike ride distance and used to visit frequently (which is how/why I developed the life long dream of attending there).  There are two large lakes that are absolutely breathtaking and the architecture of the buildings is amazing.  They are currently remodeling the law library after receiving a very large multi million dollar anonymous donation to the law program. 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 09:28:17 AM »


Don't sell yourself short. Two years ago I was just really starting college and was hoping someday I'd be able to transfer to a better school, some big public, because mine sucked. Now ND is a very real possibility for me, maybe even with a scholarship. Don't be pessimistic, you have everything going for you right now.
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Thanks, that makes me feel better.  You'll have to look me up if you come to ND, S.B. is a pretty bland town, with very little "fun" things to do.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 08:47:40 AM »
Thank you for saying that its good I am thinking ahead.  I get really tired of people telling me to focus on my undergrad and that I may change my mind, etc.  I hate to admit this, but the entire reason for going ahead with my bachelors is specifically so that I can get into law school.  Sure, there is a pretty large possibility that I may not get in, etc. and then atleast I will have a bachelors to compliment my paralegal certificate, but I am pretty goal oriented and hell bent on law school.

I guess I just want to know, is it possible to go to a state law school with an lsat score around 150?  That is pretty average, right?


150 is very average.  (The statistical median is right around 151/152.) 

That said, most law schools require higher scores, including most public schools.  You should generally shoot for at least a 155 to be reasonably competitive.

On the other hand, there are some schools where you can get in with an LSAT below 150.  They're obviously not the best, but they're still out there.

One thing to think about -- if you have a strong relationship with your current firm (and it seems that you do), then you may be able to get a job there even if you just attend a modest local law school.  It depends on the firm, but if it's not a real snooty place, and they know you and like you, and know you're a good worker, they might be able to take you on once you get your JD, regardless of where it's from.  Studying PT and continuing to work may be good for this, as it will maintain the relationship and make the segue from paralegal to attorney fairly seamless.

In other words, you're relatively well-positioned.  You have grades and contacts, which are a huge part of the picture.  Just work steadily on the LSAT -- it's very learnable -- starting out completely untimed, and just focusing on the concepts.  Start with a basic Kaplan book, and then carefully work through the powerscore books, or take a quality course.  Give yourself a good amount of lead time, ease into the process, and you'll feel much more comfortable with the test fairly soon.


Awesome, thanks for the advice.  I hope you are all right about the LSAT being "learnable."  I do have several years to work on it which is helpful.

I do not think I could maintain my position at my firm while I am attending school b/c the nearest local school that would accept part time students is 2 hours away.  I am about 30 mins away from Notre Dame, but I do not believe they have part time programs.  (Plus I highly doubt I could get into ND, though it has been a life-long dream). My hope is to be accepted to either IU Bloomington or IU Indy.  Bloomington would be my first choice (ND is just a fantasy) but I read somewhere on the IU Bloomington website that this year their accepted students had higher gpa and lsat scores than the norm.  So the bar has been raised! 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 25, 2008, 08:40:48 AM »
Women's studies can look a little hazy as a major, but you said poli-sci is your major; so I wouldn't worry about it. Having a minor is pretty neutral, as far as I can tell. In fact, unless you're passionate about your minor, I would recommend against it--in other words, if you're getting a minor for the sake of looking "tougher" academically, I think your time will be better spent elsewhere. On the other hand, if you love it, go for it. I majored in Philosophy, and would've loved to have taken a poli-sci minor if I'd had time; but I decided I'd rather forge ahead than hang out in undergrad for a few extra courses.



At my school, the college of liberal arts and studies makes in mandatory to select a minor.  Kinda stinks, b/c I'd rather not bother with it.  I suppose I could minor in philosophy, but yes, women's studies is something I am passionate about, though I fear it will not get me anywhere.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Terrified of the LSAT
« on: September 24, 2008, 04:55:51 PM »
And what about my undergrad major, poli sci and women's studies.  Does women's studies seem bogus?

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