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Recommendations / Re: GW ED and Recommendation Letters
« on: September 24, 2008, 05:36:32 PM »
I'd go with B if you really want to apply. I think one great letter will do a lot of good. From what I've heard, merely 'good' letters don't help admissions people much.

I have to be honest, if I were you I'd go with D. You're 175, even with the low GPA will likely get you into a T14. It does depend on what you want to do of course, but a T14 school will give you the name to go a lot more places. Yes, you'll have the debt, but you won't have that much trouble paying it off. Just my .02. On the other hand, if no debt is important to you, then go for it.

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Where should I go next fall? / W&L 1L willing to answer questions...
« on: September 24, 2008, 05:23:29 PM »
W&L = Washington & Lee in case you didn't know.

I'm only a month in, but if anyone has any questions about the school or just about law school in general I'd be glad to give it a shot. Maybe there is someone out there considering W&L. =)

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General Board / Re: 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 23, 2008, 08:10:57 PM »
the only grade question i have ever been asked in an interview, including judicial clerkship interview, is "what did you get in legal writing?"

yes, two credit hours is bull, it was the same at my school, but worthless?  as a ta i have helped an ungodly number of 1Ls with their writing, and honestly, most people cant freakin' write for poo

ps.  by 3L, most 1L gunners have either 1) failed out 2) wised up or 3) been found dead behind the library with a gilbert's stuffed in their mouth

Remember, I said "waste of time", not "worthless". I see the value and need to do well in legal writing, but at the same time, the way legal writing is approached is, in my opinion, a complete waste of time 90% of the time. That's the analogy I was drawing between legal writing and pretty much every English class I ever had. In English classes, the material is almost always useful but the way it is taught makes the classes pretty much insufferable.

That's one thing I have liked about my school so far. Our writing class is taught in connection with a substantive class and by a law professor, not a writing professor. So, our professor focuses more on content/arguments and just being less wordy, etc. rather than small details. Also, while you could make an argument either way about grading, I do kind of like that our legal writing is graded rather than pass/fail. It gives me more motivation to actually write really well (obviously to a point since it's only 2 credits) rather than just pass (and thereby writing a passing paper). I hope this will be beneficial in other classes in that it will help me communicate my ideas better on exams, etc.

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General Board / Re: 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 23, 2008, 04:56:51 PM »
I'm going to need to see that definition, because I think it can also apply to someone who volunteers an answer and is then pleased when the prof agrees with them. But both are required elements, you see: Volunteering followed by pride in a job well done. Anyone who knows the answer can volunteer to answer a question - that's easy.

JSIA. :)

I would have to say that offering an answer and being pleased with the result is a necessary, but not sufficient part of being a gunner. Anyone who volunteers an answer and is right will probably be happy about it. In my book, that does not constitute a gunner. Maybe we need to have a discussion on the exact requirements of being a gunner.

I would put forth the following requirements. Feel free to add to the list.

1. Offering an answer and being pleased with the result.
2. Liking the sound of your own voice.
3. Desire that you seem extremely intelligent (to the professor and/or classmates) (this is one reason why I don't consider myself a gunner, I don't volunteer answers to sound smart I answer because I'm interested in the discussion and the ideas put forth, etc.).
4. Commenting/Answering a question at least every other class period.
5. Sitting in the front row (unless the professor makes the seating chart before class starts).
6. Douchiness in general.
7. A seemingly large lack of awareness that you are annoying others/talking too much.

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Transferring / Re: Transfer Student Blog
« on: September 23, 2008, 03:05:50 PM »
I liked it. Don't put quite so much political stuff in though. If I want politics, I'll go to a politics blog. Your blog is a transfer blog. You're a good writer though. Keep it up.

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Transferring / Re: when does the transfer in/transfer out data come out?
« on: September 23, 2008, 02:50:57 PM »
I don't think it will come out for a while because they are probably collecting all the info in the next month or two. A good source is the 'transferapps' group on Yahoo. You have to have a Yahoo account to access it, but there's quite a bit of good info on there.

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Transferring / Re: USF (T3) to Chicago/UM
« on: September 23, 2008, 02:49:07 PM »
This is just off the top of my head, but I'll give it a go.

Northwestern/Michigan (Yes, top 5%...maybe top 10%...big maybe)
Loyola (top 1/2)
Depaul (top 1/3)
Kent (top 1/4)
John Marshall (top 1/2)(this is assuming marshall is a tier 3 or 4 school, i don't remember)

Transferring to these lower schools probably wouldn't be too tough, but you'll still have to do well. To get to NW or UMich you will have to do really well. If you were #1 in your class, UChicago might be an option too. If I were you and I made top 10% I'd apply to all 3 just to see. Depending on how you do, you should consider Illinois-Urbana-Champaign as well.

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General Board / Re: 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 23, 2008, 10:49:33 AM »
Haven't really got called on in class much although I raise my hand and volunteer every once in a while. None of my professors are truly hardcore about Socratization. My contracts professor actually said "I agree with Mr. [Mylastname]" twice in one class. He was saying that a court had decided a case wrong and no one really understood it. I raised my hand to try to help explain it and then followed the agreement. I was proud. =)

You're the gunner. JS  :P




<---- Thought the same thing but didn't want to say it

I think by definition a gunner has to say something at least once every class period. I've gone through plenty of class periods without saying a word. Plus, professors don't tend to agree with the gunners. They usually just get annoyed with them and socratize them.

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General Board / Re: 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 23, 2008, 10:23:06 AM »
I've actually enjoyed law school quite a bit so far. My school is a very relaxed school and while you can feel a bit of nervous tension, I think it's more from people just being worried they won't get anything rather than people gunning for the top of the class.

We don't have many gunners, which is nice. We did have one or two people who had to insert their opinion into everything, but they at least didn't seem like they were trying to impress the professor; they merely had an opinion and liked to talk. That did get a bit annoying, but most of it has subsided by now.

I really like all my professors. Like 'changed name,' we got all the good teachers. I've heard the other section didn't get so lucky. Maybe we're in the same section! =)

I also thought the workload would be more intense. I don't have too much free time on my hands or anything, but I'm also not killing myself. I actually feel like I'm learning something too (analytical skills) as opposed to the last two years of undergrad where I felt like I was beating my head against the wall.

The drinking is pretty crazy too. Most of our school functions have alcohol that is provided by the school. I swear there's a handful of people in the class the ONLY care about partying, etc. Those are the ones that I'm not too worried about. Quite honestly though, everyone can go party as much as they want. It'll make it that much easier for me to do well. =)

Haven't really got called on in class much although I raise my hand and volunteer every once in a while. None of my professors are truly hardcore about Socratization. My contracts professor actually said "I agree with Mr. [Mylastname]" twice in one class. He was saying that a court had decided a case wrong and no one really understood it. I raised my hand to try to help explain it and then followed the agreement. I was proud. =)

I do feel like I'm understanding things well. No one seems to be way ahead of everyone else. There are also quite a few people who sound like complete idiots when they get called on in class. I haven't decided if they just don't get it or they just get super nervous on the spot. I'll be honest, I am a bit worried about finals. I'm trying to look at lots of hypos and at least think through how I would apply what I've learned so far. Hopefully this will help. I do plan on doing at least a few practice exams.

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Book Sales and Trades / Re: Looking for these 1L books
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:10:40 PM »
The author of your CivPro book is my CivPro professor. It's weird being taught by the author of the book.

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