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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Getting into T14 w/ low gpa
« on: December 19, 2008, 03:00:24 AM »
Just make sure you write a good Personal Statement! ;)

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Do I have a chance ?
« on: December 19, 2008, 02:55:19 AM »
Get it girl!

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: How do you let it go?
« on: December 19, 2008, 02:49:48 AM »
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ok this is not the typical response but... you leave the exam room asap, do NOT talk to any law students, and get your a** to a bar.  drink about three beers over the course of the afternoon.  go out to eat with a non-law student friend.  if you like, sober up and study that night--but i liked to declare test day a no-study zone.  (during my first semester, i learned that even if i tried to study on a test day, i really got nothing done.)  i prefer to watch a movie.  if you must hang out with a law student, make a pact to NOT discuss exams.

basically, this helps in three ways:

1.  you don't burn out over the course of the exam period.
2.  you don't worry about things you can't change.
3.  you have something to look forward to.  instead of your inner dialogue saying, "damn, after this torts exam then there's civ pro..." you say "after this torts exam i'm having margaritas and watching Hoosiers [NOTE:  movies about overcoming adversity are always good for this time!]."

good luck, especially for the 1Ls.  remember, once you're an upperclassman you can arrange your course load so that you never have an exam period like this again.

I like this advice! 

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I'm not sure exactly how law schools look at resumes, but I treated mine as a "fill-in-the-gap" sort of document. It looked nothing like any resume I have ever written in the past for employment consideration. I had already told the schools a lot about myself through my Personal Statement and other application questions, so I used the resume to really get into some details about my career acomplishments. Then again, I'm a musician with not much work experience outside restaurant employment. My resume focused on my music achievements (including producing audio CDs and developing new skills along the way, such as graphic design) and college education, and I barely touched on my work experience. In fact, I had a couple gaps in my employment that I didn't worry about too much. I figured it made more sense to focus on music achievements than to include 3 or 4 meaningless short-term jobs just to fill in time gaps in my employment history. Each situation is different, obviously, but I got accepted so the resume was good enough.

***Disclaimer: None of the above is meant to be legal advice, just one man's experience.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: How long to go through each Bible?
« on: December 15, 2008, 03:37:36 AM »
My personal experience has shown that it is wise to devote more time to weaker sections; it follows that you should start with the section that gives you the most trouble and/or least motivation. In your case, I would start with logic games. However, I am not a subscriber to the theory of "one section at a time." I think it's better to play leap-frog; that way you are constantly learning/reinforcing techniques for each of the 3 sections on the test. I can't give you a precise schedule, but I'd work on one bible for 30-60 minutes, take a short break, and then come back and hit a different bible for 30-60 minutes. Repeat as necessary. This may also help prevent burnout on any 1 section.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: When to start preparing?
« on: December 14, 2008, 02:41:33 PM »
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You don't need to study for a whole year

I disagree wholeheartedly, unless you aren't interested in maximizing your LSAT score, getting into a better school, winning more scholarships and generally succeeding as an attorney.

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LSAT horror stories / Re: took practice LSAT (didnt do well)
« on: December 13, 2008, 03:33:21 AM »
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okay so I have never really sat down and took practice test.  I finally had to for the powersore class and did horrible.  I wasn't prepared I couldnt focus, and I didnt feel like the room was quiet enough.  So i scored a 136 (I totally guessed for the last section so I dont see how i can use that score as something to build on.  Any advice or comments


Listen to EarlCat. He is wise.

Becoming prepared for the LSAT will not happen overnight; for most people it is a process that develops over a period of 3-36 months. The beauty of it is that as one is experimenting with different techniques, one is learning how to take the test. By the time one has reviewed 2 or more preparation aids, one should be familiar with the different question types on the LSAT and have an idea of which ones seem harder than others. At that point one should be developing a personal strategy, working on improving difficult question types, and learning to manage time during each section.

I think a solid way to prepare for the LSAT is to take previously administered LSATs, one at a time, and then review the results. This review should consist of examining each question, even the ones answered correctly. Instead of relying on a book to explain why the wrong answers were wrong, though, I think it is healthier to examine the answer choices and make one's own determinations. I believe this builds mental strength, as well as confidence, because one learns to explain the answers better than any book can. This also encourages one to think like the producers of the LSAT, not the makers of the 3rd-party preparation materials. This, perhaps, is why some prep materials/courses can actually hurt you; they may help you in one area, but then they teach a method that clashes with your learning style in another area. The trick is to recognize it and discard what doesn't work for you.

When it comes down to it, I say screw the prep materials. Look over them, then put them aside. Just buy all the previously administered LSATs, take them one at a time, and figure out how they work (and how you work with them). That's what a lawyer would do!

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Anyone enjoy taking the LSAT?
« on: December 13, 2008, 03:27:20 AM »
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I actually started to like logic games..... They were like my daily crosswords after awhile. I won't miss any of the other sections though.

Ditto. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for logic games. I hated and feared them at the beginning of my preparation many months ago, but I owned them on my October 2008 LSAT. Now I enjoy doing them for fun, but I don't go for speed - 10 minutes per game is fine! As far as Reading Comprehension and Logical Reasoning...that's what my legal career is for!

When I began preparing for the LSAT, a buddy of mine who had just taken the test told me, "They ask you such lame questions." As I got into my preparation, I realized that was the wrong attitude to take. I embraced my LSAT preparation, and when it got frustrating I reminded myself that I could be serving Porterhouse steaks to successful lawyers instead. If you think the LSAT is hard, lame or boring, what do you think the bar exam is going to be like? What do you think a legal career is going to be like?

Cheers!

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Help! When should I take the LSAT?
« on: December 13, 2008, 03:13:17 AM »
I would take advantage of your future LSAT date by beginning your preparation now. I was still improving after 6 months of solid prep, and it makes me wish I would have given myself an entire year or two to prepare. If you shoot for February 2010, you'll have 14 months to prepare. Considering the fact that you're also in school, I'd start now.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Advice heading into Feb 09 LSAT!
« on: December 13, 2008, 03:03:49 AM »
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Quote from: EarlCat on December 09, 2008, 10:59:41 PM
Quote from: modum03 on December 09, 2008, 02:43:23 PM
Do NOT take a class = complete waste of money. Self prep is the best way to go and two months, if you use your time wisely, is a good enough amount of time to prepare. I would start with general guides, particularly Princton Review 2008-09

This is the absolute worst piece of advice I've seen on this board in months.


Can you expand on why it's such a bad piece of advice? That's like telling a waiter that your meal is lousy without giving any explanation as to why.

To address your question in your own terms, everything about the meal was lousy in every way possible.

First of all, saying a prep class is a complete waste of money is such a gross generalization it hurts. That would mean no person could get ANY benefit from ANY prep class. Some people may benefit very little from a prep class, but others may benefit greatly.

Second, for most people, two months is hardly enough time to properly prepare for the LSAT. Everyone varies, but in my opinion one should expect to put in at least six months of solid preparation.

Third, suggesting self prep is the best way to go is another generalization that will not apply to everyone. I personally found self prep to work, but I was extremely motivated to study at least twenty hours per week for nearly six months. I was OK on my own, but some people will need a bit of outside help; that's where a prep course or personal tutor come in handy.

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