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Current Law Students / Re: I have an interview on Saturday and I need help!
« on: February 03, 2009, 10:09:41 AM »
Do you mean you are having a blind interview and you don't know the name of the firm? If so, you can only get some general tips how to behave at the interview. If you know the firm's name, look them up on Westlaw.

Lexis has some webinars but they are pretty generic. Good luck.  ;)

Current Law Students / Re: 2.0 - Should I drop out?
« on: January 28, 2009, 01:17:37 PM »
I have basically the exact same story as you. I made the tough decision and dropped out of law school. I realized that being a lawyer was going to be a poo life, and very few people were actually 'wired' to enjoy legal work. I definitely am not one of them. Since dropping out (only a few months ago, dropped out mid semester from the U of U) I've got a job with an internet marketing firm and I love it. I can guarantee I'll end up being better financially off because I'm doing something that fits me.

I found law school to be a joke. The case method of learning is the biggest *ucking sham I've ever run into. I quickly realized that I was under a massive delusion that law and law school was some admirable thing, when in fact it's just not true. Law school was a joke, and people who really love studying the law are by nature a little backwards. 

I'm not trying to persuade either way, just trying to lend a helping hand. Quitting law school was the best decision I could have made. I can't imagine 'sticking it out.' It would have been absolutely ridiculous for me to do that.

My sincere congratulations to you! I just recently heard a similar story from an old attorney. Many years ago he and his childhood buddy were working at UPS. He continued thru college, then law school. His buddy dropped out of college and went to work for UPS full time. He eventually became a regional manager and then retired at 47 with several millions in the bank, while the attorney is still working and not even close to having millions in retirement.

Unfortunately, I don't see myself becoming a manager of any big corporation any time soon, so I am going to stick with law school for now. This way I know I'll be able to find a decent paying job, instead of gambling on my career.

Current Law Students / Re: Etiquette question: Discuss about grades ever?
« on: January 11, 2009, 08:17:25 PM »
Miss P: Well, you know I adore you, and I would totally talk about my grades with you if you wanted, but I don't see how any of this explains fertsru's remarks.

There were many one-sided responses to this thread, not quite 20 pages, but the tendency started to show, before Mattheis wrote his. That was the only reason for me to admire his response which was different. I see that you have a lot of posts under your profile, it appears you have a great strategy to keep them growing by blowing something out of proportion.  ::)

Current Law Students / Re: Etiquette question: Discuss about grades ever?
« on: January 11, 2009, 10:18:00 AM »
My friends and I openly talk about grades all the time. In fact we email or call each other as soon as grades are out. This includes friends who are in the top 5 people in my class and folks who are straight C students. Its never been an issue, aqward, or taboo at all, at least not with my friends (of course Iím not friends with everyone, and I know some folks in my class donít discuss grades at all, but they are not my ďfriendsĒ). We congratulate each other when we do good and commiserate when we do bad, even in the same classes. I have never had any bad experiences or comments with sharing grades, and if I did not do it I would actually be outside the norm in my class.

I will say I think there are probably a few reasons for this that are particular to my situation, even my friends at the top of their class donít take themselves or the whole law school is a competition thing very seriously (if they did we would likely not be friends, because I donít), second Iím in the evening division so we have all pretty much stayed together even with elective classes, because there are only so many classes offered 5:30-9 Pm, so we have seen each other over the entire four years, third we have never really had a competitive nature with each other, at all (and each of us wants to do something compleatly difffent in the law or with our JD than the others), and finally most of my friends are older, work fulltime and have families, they just donít share the competitive nature of my younger classmates because they have all done things other than law school that they consider bigger achievements than what grades they did or did not get in some class. 

Whew, at least somebody on this forum is mature and secure enought to express his different opinion.  I wonder if I share the same thoughts about grades because I am an "older" law student or because I look at law school as a means to live, instead of living for law school and law career.

Thank you Matthies.  :)

Current Law Students / Re: A Question About Id
« on: December 21, 2008, 08:59:31 PM »
I don't remember the section in the Blue Book but I think you were asking if the dessenting opinion appears on a specific page, then you can say: Id at 222   

You can do it only if you gave the proper full citation at first.

Current Law Students / Re: Applying to an MBA program during 1L year....
« on: December 21, 2008, 08:55:28 PM »
Here are my two cents: stick to one plan, don't become a career student.

I can hardly imagine what you would get from having MBA and JD at the same time after graduation. You are going to compete for the same law jobs as other law students and MBA might just give your resume some boost but not a significant one.

In addition, you will be overloaded with homework if you try to do both full time (not sure that law schools even allow that.) You would be better off working in the field after your first year of LS than still trying to pull of both degrees at the same time.

I see a lot of people trying to figure out if they like law during law school. I think it would have really benefited them if they had done at least some pro bono/internship/summer gig in the legal field. You probably have next summer ahead of you, try to take a peek into the profession and see that maybe MBA is more attractive after all.

Before the BigLaw-dreamers come here to bash on you, I'll tell you what I saw and think about crim. law. I think if you like it, go for it all the way. You'll be able to make decent living even as a solo practitioner. When you have your own practice, you'll also have a life outside of the office unlike civil law attorneys digging thru 50th box sent to them in discovery responses during the third year of litigation of the same damn suit. Anyway, do public defense, try to get into prosecutor's office, and you'll see the doors opening for you. I also noticed that after a while, they focus on one particular area. Maybe you'll find your niche too.  Good luck!

BTW It's encouraging to see somebody with some zest left over after law school.

Current Law Students / Re: Sould have gone to B-School?
« on: November 30, 2008, 06:12:29 PM »
::Hates life::

Transferring to Wharton. 

Wharton might be too lame after watching this one:  :D

Current Law Students / Re: Another personal statement
« on: November 27, 2008, 07:57:33 AM »
Is something you know from last year or did u get your grades for winter exams already?

I think you should be able to answer this question by yourself at your age. Depending how well you did on the practice exam, and depending what kind of practice exam it was, you can determine if you are good to go.

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