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Law Firms / Re: RANT: 2009 Legal Job Market
« on: August 27, 2009, 06:42:16 PM »
Me . . . it sucked being told by 2 firms that they definitely would have hired me as an associate if the economic situation was not so bad.

I have an interview for a paid internship tomorrow. I hope I get it. At least it'll be some good experience while I look for a job.

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OP: I graduated top 10% from a T2

It's real frustrating. I know a lot of others in my position. But I'm just trying to not get real upset (though I have my moments where I throw my Bar/Bri books down and ask what the point of all this is), pursue any lead I can, and I just study for the bar and figure when that's over I'll really do nothing else but look for a job.

I don't know if this makes you feel any better, but I hope it makes you realize you're not alone.

How did you end up at top 10% and law review, but no offers? 

My school has a terrible, terrible OCI. There aren't more than 30 or so firms that come, and the ones that say they want "top 10%" will really only interview the top 3% or so, and the firms that want, say, "top 25%" only interview people ranked in the top 15%-25%. I even contacted some of those firms directly and said I was interested, but they didn't offer me OCI interviews. I just got ignored. I sent stuff out on my own...nothing but rejection letters.

I was told that my rank put me in a weird place where I was not "good enough" for Biglaw but still "too good" for most local midsize firms. Quite a few people ranked around me experienced the same thing.

I took the job I had over the summer of 2008 back in late Fall 2007, and they made it sound like, if they had room, they gave offers...and they always seemed to have room. They did not give any summers offers this year, because of the economy. I feel like I really got screwed, because an offer was even hinted at late in the summer when I was working there.

I do feel like I've been ignored and turned away by many local firms that my school's OCS thinks should be begging to hire me, yet no one can tell me why. I showed a million lawyers my resume and they all say it's great. Admittedly, I might come off a little shy and quiet in interviews. But I hardly get interviews to begin with.

My background is in biology, and I even applied to a posting for a first year associate at a local IP firm that wanted science backgrounds. When I didn't hear anything, I contacted the firm's HR and they told me they "had no interest" in me. Ouch.

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OP: I graduated top 10% from a T2, law firm jobs both summers (local midsize firm that only makes offers when it can...and decided not to in this economy), law review editorial board...I'm studying for the NY bar now. I have zero job prospects. I've tried everything...networking, hundreds of resumes sent out...career fairs at school where i talk to lawyers and their response is something like, "I wish I could help you. My firm's not hiring first year associates. But people should be begging to hire you." But I had one interview all year and the firm decided not to hire anyone.

It's real frustrating. I know a lot of others in my position. But I'm just trying to not get real upset (though I have my moments where I throw my Bar/Bri books down and ask what the point of all this is), pursue any lead I can, and I just study for the bar and figure when that's over I'll really do nothing else but look for a job.

I don't know if this makes you feel any better, but I hope it makes you realize you're not alone.

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General Board / Re: Laptops in Law School: Experience
« on: March 21, 2009, 09:56:52 AM »
I have used both in school...I have a Dell XPS m1210 and a 13" MacBook (the black one). I used my Dell all of 1L, and my Mac in class all of 2L, but I always took exams on the Dell because the tech people seemed to know how to quickly resolve any PC issues much better than they did Mac problems.

My Mac was fine my first semester of 3L, but then the first day of this semester, Microsoft Word crashed about 6 times and I lost all my notes. This then started happening to everyone with a Mac. The school says it has something to do with their network, I have no idea. So now I just use my Dell....for the bar (at least, the NY bar), you either need a PC or an Intel Mac with XP or Vista on it, so you might as well get used to the SofTest exam program beforehand.

The bottom line I have discovered is that laptops mostly suck, no matter what brand you buy...law students put a lot of wear and tear on them.

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General Board / Bar Review Courses
« on: February 13, 2009, 09:26:32 AM »
So I am taking the NY bar in July, and I am signed up for Barbri. Now people are also telling me I should take a nine day (six days in May, 3 days in July) Kaplan PMBR course for the MBE.

Is this Kaplan course necessary? The Kaplan rep was trying to get me to use the Kaplan bar review package, but I don't know anyone who has ever done that, so I'm sticking with Barbri....but should I shell out $1000 for this Kaplan nine day course?


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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: February 12, 2009, 08:12:59 PM »
That's why law school is a bit scammy beyond the T10, IMO.  School administrators know that their graduates are so unlikely to find employment, yet charge them T14 prices, anyway.

I don't know about that; up until this year, the top half of the class at my school didn't have much trouble getting decent jobs. There used to be plenty of job opportunities posted on the career services website too, but now there is like nothing.

I am just at a loss at what to do. I'm lucky to have had an almost free ride, so my loans are much less than most people I know, but I am scared and I know things aren't getting better any time soon.

Even networking has not really worked out for me.

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: February 11, 2009, 06:57:29 PM »
So now I'm top 8% (up from top 12%) and still can't get any interviews. Met with the office of career services today....basically the director told me the economy is so bad there is nothing...she said it was worse than 1992 for students, which apparently was also terrible. :(

And yet I bet they still gladly took your tuition payment.  Never trust anyone but your parents.

of course....and they raised it over $4000 from last year...

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: February 11, 2009, 06:07:02 PM »
So now I'm top 8% (up from top 12%) and still can't get any interviews. Met with the office of career services today....basically the director told me the economy is so bad there is nothing...she said it was worse than 1992 for students, which apparently was also terrible. :(

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 06, 2009, 10:32:36 PM »
Chevelle,

I'm really surprised that you only got two OCI interviews. How many firms came to your school? Can you sit for the patent bar with your degree?

Hang in there. With those grades and that experience, I'm sure something will open up. Although it might be at a much smaller firm than you'd like and not in patent law. Still, firm experience is probably critical at this point if that's where you want to be upon graduation. I'd avoid public interest like the plague unless you absolutely must. Firms are weird about it. If they see it on your resume they'll assume that that's what you really want to do and that you're not cut out for firm life.   

I am a 3L...my school is terrible with OCI for 3Ls and hardly any firms interview 3Ls. I (stupidly) chose not to participate in OCI my 2L year; I do not want to work in a big law firm in NYC, but rather want to work in a small or mid-size firm in the area, and I was lead to believe I would have no problem securing a job such as this. So it was strongly suggested that I refrain from taking interviews from people who really wanted the big firm job.

I can sit for the patent bar...I've enjoyed the IP classes I've taken, but I'm not set on it. I would take anything at this point. I only have private sector experience .... the summer after my 1L year, I worked for a small (7 attorney)firm, this summer I worked for a well-regarded mid-size firm that did a lot of labor/employment stuff. I would love to work for them, but the partner I worked for said that they are not hiring any new associates right now. I mean, that could change, but who knows.

ETA: Good luck, Chevelle!  You have a very impressive record.

Thank you :)

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3L job search / Re: Bummed out
« on: January 06, 2009, 08:44:10 PM »
Sorry to hear about the job hunt. What have you been doing? Have you been sending out mass mailers or more target specific cover letters?

Good luck


I have done both. I sent out mass mailers to some, and some very specific cover letters to IP firms (I have a bachelors and a masters in neurobiology). I also contacted a professor I had for patent law, who told me he was hopeful a big firm was going to contact me about an interview, but the firm never called me.

My school recommends randomly emailing partners at law firms asking for advice on getting into the field (as a way to get an "in" with the firm). I also tried that, and using a letter approved by the career services office, was ignored by every person I emailed.

My school's career services website has nothing listed on it but internship positions for Spring 2009. I have no idea what to do at this point.

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