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You should still read at least in your first year. When you get to the real world you will have to read full cases so you might as well get used to doing it in school. Sometimes these briefs leave out important issues as well and in your first year you have nothing to do, but study so you might as well do the reading. Then use sources like this one to confirm what you read is correct.

I think these e-mails are often sent out to manipulate the rankings. They just want you to apply so they can reject you and make it look like they rejected more applicants. I remember in 2008 getting e-mails with attached fee waivers from all kinds of schools many of which were a long shot for me to be accepted into. They quickly reject you and make it look like there school is more selective than they really are. Just one of the many ways law schools waste time, money, and man power trying to manipulate a for-profit private magazine that has no authority instead of giving the best education they can to their students.

Current Law Students / Re: Did I fail my exam?
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:37:20 AM »
I think every law student has this same feeling after an exam. I should have done this, I didn't talk about that, I forget this, and it happens to everyone. I have gotten the highest grade in the class on a few occassions and had the same feeling of sh** I forget this issue or that issue and I did, but there are usually 16-20 issues and if you miss only one you are doing pretty well. As long as you wrote something coherent you should pass and generally law schools don't give out F's or D's if you really blew it you might get a C or C-.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Holy Frick, it's the middle of July!
« on: July 13, 2011, 03:02:35 PM »
Yea I think people vary on whether or not to prepare and I don't think it could hurt, but in reality I think the most important thing any 1L can do is learn to type fast. One of the most difficult things about 1st year exams are the time pressure you are under. If you can type 100wpm you will be able analyze more issues and that will put you ahead of the curve.

E-Case Briefs has some good Multiple Choice Questions and outlines. I also think Cali Lessons are very helpful.

Well the Whittier curve is extremely tough and there is an 80% chance you won't keep your scholarship there. Nothing against you, but pretty much anyone at an ABA school thinks they will be in the top 10-20%, but you don't need to be a math major to figure out 80-90% of people won't be in the top 10-20%.

Now I don't know what Western State's curve is I tried to look at their handbook, but I didn't see the curve. Generally speaking at an ABA especially one that gives out scholarships based on you maintaining a certain GPA it is very difficult to achieve the GPA. I am just speculating that it will be difficult to maintain a 2.6 at Western, but I would specifically ask them what Western State's curve is.

The schools are about equal, but I might give a slight edge to Whittier, because it has been ABA approved for much longer than Western State, which just received accreditation. I would also e-mail some practicing attorneys from those schools and see what they have to say.

Either way good luck.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Where can I get in?
« on: July 13, 2011, 09:32:09 AM » is a great website to answer these type of questions. You can look at every school and see what numbers got in where. Also if you are a URM with a 3.7 & 148 it will make a significant difference in where you can get in. You can see how important URM status is on good luck.

As far as the LSAT goes it might be worth a retake. Most schools take your highest score so you really don't have anything to lose.

Numerous schools will give you academic scholarships with those numbers. Check out and you can get an idea of how much you will get with your numbers.

Current Law Students / Re: How to find new case filings?
« on: July 11, 2011, 01:36:09 PM »
I don't know if this is what your looking for, but maybe. You can go here to look at all the different California Courts and they all vary.

Sacramento had a setup where you could search by filing date and each courts website is different so I am guessing it depends on where in Cali you are.

This was the Sacramento Court website where you could search by case imitation date.

Then this were the results that came up when searching for case initiation dates, but I think it might be a few days behind at least in Sacramento.

It seems like each court has different setups, but maybe if your county has it setup this info could help you out.

Nice I really liked the response by concurring opinion. It was a rebuttal with actual facts that offered some analysis to it. Politicians and a lot of lawyers could learn from this kind of thing.

In regards to Robert's I don't think law review is really an indicator of legal education. It contains 10 to 15% of law school students. Many of them are writing on something they find interesting and law review is just one of the many things a law professor does. There may be a disconnect between legal education and the practice of law, but addressing problems with law review is not where the problem is.

Even if law review were to be a perfectly run fluid system 85% to 90% of law students would still have problems. The problem to me is that you are not required to ever hold a job of any form before attending law school or becoming a member of the bar. Furthermore, law school doesn't teach you how to be a lawyer and it seems to be a widely acknowledged fact that law school doesn't teach you to be a lawyer. Obviously it teaches you a lot, but in regards to the actual work unless you take specific classes you would not know the who, what, when, where, and why of how to file a complaint. You would not know how to prepare a proof of service, just many of the pure basics are not taught.  Maybe they could at least make you specialize in something because you can put in a decent effort get through law school and pass the bar. Then still have no idea how to do the most basic thing.


Many people cite to this article and I want to discredit a lot of what is says to give some encouragement to future 0L's. In all honesty this guy made a lot of mistakes and his own decisions are likely more responsible for the situation he is in than his law school. A short of list of the very obvious mistakes he made.

Page 5 of this article are where the actual facts about this guy pop up.
1) Page 5 He BORROWED SO MUCH MONEY AS A FIRST YEAR student that he nearly put down a deposit on a 350,000 condo. He had not worked a day in his first year of law school and was trying to buy a condo on student loan money. I am almost certain this is illegal and a violation of the direct loans promissory note you sign. This is one of many mistakes he made along the way.

2) Continued on Page 5 in the summer after his first year instead of working he studied abroad in a spacious apartment in France. Again on borrowed money.

3) Then this poor guy again who never worked a day over three years lived in a spacious apartment instead of buying his $350,000 condo on borrowed money.

4) He borrowed another $15,000 to study for the bar, which seems a bit high.  That might be reasonable, but considering he had rented a spacious apartment in San Diego for three years and studied in France he should have been a little more careful, but none of that. The mistakes don't end there.

5) On page 5 he says I am not very good at keeping records. He is supposed to be a lawyer and he is not good at keeping records no wonder he can't get hired. Keeping track of evidence and being responsible is somewhat important for a lawyer and it is not something law school can teach you. It is just plain responsibility.

6) Page 6 he moved from San Diego to New York on Page 6 it was Queens so not as expensive, but moving cross country is highly expensive move and he moved another high cost of living area.

7) Then the kicker so he has a job granted a low paying one, but a job. This is again on Page 6 during a firm wide lunch his employer wanted to everyone to thank him for giving him labor day off. Sure that sucks, but he was there a month and instead he said the following.

Direct from Page 6
“When it was my turn, I said, ‘Labor Day is about celebrating the 40-hour workweek, weekends, that sort of thing,’ ” Mr. Wallerstein recalls. “She said, ‘Well, workers have that now so you don’t need a day off to celebrate it.’ ”

He lasted less than a month.

This article was geared to making this guy look sympathetic and there is a list of 7 things that are just plain dumb. I don't even want to know what they would have uncovered if they actually looked into more facts. What we know about this guy is during the first year of law school when you are trying to achieve a high class rank he was buying trying to buy a condo on borrowed money. He is not good at keeping records by his own admission and there is no indication he worked at all during law school. A few weeks into his first job he insults his boss and can't keep a job. All of these things are on him not TJSL and I hate that the New York times is putting these type of stories out blaming the schools instead of the students for their bad decisions. Maybe one day law students will take an ounce of accountability for themselves.

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