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Studying for the LSAT / Re: People PTing in the 170 - 175 range
« on: August 13, 2008, 12:27:32 PM »
Hey, no problem.

Are you sure you want to begin prepping so early though? Prepping for the LSAT is a pretty demanding and arduous process which involves frequent practice on real LSATs. I'm afraid there arent enough preptests available to last you 13 months. You might want to start between the beginning and middle of 2009.

Just my two cents. Good luck.

Yeah, I'm going to take the prep slow now that I know I can't test next June.  Since I can't test until September '09, I won't get serious until maybe about 6 months before.  So, around March 2009.  Until then, I'll probably just familiarize myself with logic games setups and take it relatively easy. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stupid question but
« on: August 13, 2008, 11:38:36 AM »
amassherst: Your friend shouldn't tell you where to apply before your LSAT is known. If you get a 155 on your LSAT, his T2/T3 scheme will work pretty well. If, on the other hand, you LSAT is 160+, or even 165+, then you should apply almost exclusively to T1 schools with a couple of T2/T3 schools as "safeties." Look at LSN or LSAC's probability calculator to give you a better idea of what schools are reaches, targets, and safeties with any given LSAT score. With your GPA, your best bet is to finish strong with a high GPA your last year(s) and study your butt off for the LSAT.

True and true, Tetris.  If I get a 155, I probably just won't even bother going to law school.  I'll likely just keep working and get promoted to higher level positions in my current field and live comfortably without the debt.  If I get a 165, I'll give American  (lower T1) and others a shot and probably have Northeastern as a safety that I'd still be thrilled to attending.   Sadly, I can't really "finish strong" since I started my undergrad senior year in fall 2003 and I already graduated.   Sure, I can take an additional class here and there but, yeah, I'm just going to study my butt off for the LSAT and see where that takes me.   

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stupid question but
« on: August 13, 2008, 09:24:57 AM »
Sorry to sort of hijack this thread, but BLOND37, I was going to start a new one along similar lines, so I'll just post my question here because I'm sure the responses would be helpful to both of us (and many others).  I'll post a little more info about my case than you have with yours so people responding have a bit more context. 

Here goes: I want to get into as high a school as possible for Fall 2010.  My friend who went to a borderline T2/T3 school tells me to apply to mostly T2's, many T3s and just one or two T1s.  In his words, "aim high, but not too high".  Is he jealous?  Am I crazy?  The only T2 I'm serious about right now is Northeastern.  When I first started looking, I checked out Western New England College, a T4.  Some people, BLOND37, might consider that school to be somewhere "that pretty much will take anyone."  After I looked into the prices and the whole debt thing, I thought that'd be senseless for me and I gradually started aiming higher and higher into delusional territory where I'm not ruling out T14 as long as I can pull my LSAT around their 75% numbers.

BLOND37, I'll answer your question from my perspective.  I'm no authority; an LSD newbie, so you don't need to put much weight in it.  Plus, others have already covered it well here. Financial concerns drive my decision.  I've been working full-time for four+ years and I'm paying off college loans. Average starting salaries for schools that take just about anybody are just about what I make now.  And I don't make alot; I work in education. 40-50K? I won't give up three years of earning potential so I can get 200K in debt and make the same amount of money I make now.  So, I'm going to try to do the whole high T1 thing and be just another hopeful trying to rank high, get on law review and land something in biglaw so I can pay off the loans relatively quickly.  Of course, as time goes on, I may find that after a biglaw Summer Associateship, the lawfirm lifestyle just isn't for me and I want to go a different career route.  Or, I simply couldn't out-compete the competition for those jobs.  A better school would have better non-biglaw options and the name recognition would probably work better for the individual networking that I'd do to try to land a job.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAT score-based application fee waivers
« on: August 13, 2008, 08:34:12 AM »

Studying for the LSAT / Re: People PTing in the 170 - 175 range
« on: August 12, 2008, 09:45:57 AM »
Sorry, I reread your post.

As far as pacing is concerned. I think I was only able to get to about 65% of the questions on my diagnostic test before running out of time.

Your time will improve, no question.

Thanks, Thales.  Admittedly, "pacing trajectory" is a very awkward phrase of choice.  I think I'll do one or two more untimed tests then switch to timed for the most part. 

I was hoping that I could take the test in June 2009, but turns out I have to wait until Sept. 26, 2009.  I proctored the June 2008 LSAT and you can't take the exam for a year if you proctor it.  With my wishful thinking, I planned to take the June 2009 test and contacted LSAC to confirm that I could.  Nope.  Need to wait 'till September.  Sorry, a little unnecessary information.

Law School Admissions / Re: LSAT score-based application fee waivers
« on: August 11, 2008, 08:29:49 AM »
As a follow-up, would I just be setting myself up for disappointment if I apply anywhere in the top half of T1 that sends me a fee waiver?  Competitive schools apparently send fee waivers to students who have no chance just so they can boost their application numbers and appear more selective to game the USNews rankings.  If any of you received fee waivers (from schools you actually want to attend, schools that may be in your 'reach' category), how did you view them and what did you do?   

Studying for the LSAT / Re: People PTing in the 170 - 175 range
« on: August 11, 2008, 07:58:54 AM »
Hi snickersnicker,

How did your LSAT pacing trajectory look in relation to your score increases?  I just took my first un-prepped practice exam over the weekend and scored a 154 and I'm studying to bring my score to the 170's by the June 2009 exam.  I was frightened by the pace I was testing at and how many problems I felt I was getting wrong.  At the five minutes left point on a couple of sections, I was only around question #16!  So, yeah, I took close to an hour per section, double the allotted time.  Logic games were a joke.  At the five minutes remaining point, I was on question 5.  I think that section took me three days to finish.  I know that as I become more familiar with the exam, my times will improve and hopefully my score will as well.  I just want to know if you were spending that long on your early PT's.   

Anyone else want to chime in? 

Law School Admissions / LSAT score-based application fee waivers
« on: August 11, 2008, 12:15:26 AM »
Do most (T26) schools issue LSAT score-based application fee waivers?  How soon after the LSAT are they issued? 

If I work and bring my LSAT up to 170, would I get some fee waivers from some of the schools?  I'll be a splitter since my GPA is around 3.0, but I wouldn't really want to go anywhere below Boston College rankings-wise.  I am considering Northeastern, though, because the co-op program seems pretty awesome and you can use it to network your way into some sweet positions/offers, I'd imagine. So, anyway, application fee waivers.  As a potential splitter, I'd have to apply to more schools than normal and I'm just interested in finding out how I can keep the application costs down.  I'm working full-time so I doubt that I'd qualify for an LSAC fee waiver. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Hello! Tell me what I'm doing wrong.
« on: August 08, 2008, 05:48:39 PM »
Lzero, what did you get on your first practice test?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Which schools does the Illuminati recruit out of?
« on: August 07, 2008, 12:16:17 PM »

My friend tried recruiting me for DeMoley when I was in third grade. I remember chanting a couple things and kissing the bible. Never went to another meeting cause the people there were kinda weird. I had no idea what was going on (I was 10) and a few years later I was talking to my dad about this history of the masons or something, and he reminded me about it. Totally weird.

Yeah, I was recruited for DeMolay.  I was in middle school: went to some meetings, memorized some long passages and tried to figure out what kind of strange boys club this was that met right across the temple hall from the Masons.  Never found out.  I didn't stay in long enough to move up through the ranks.  That is totally weird that you've heard of DeMolay.  Through the many years that have passed, I've never spoken to anyone who has heard of it.  Perhaps because I've never asked anyone.  I just thought DeMolay was a figment of my imagination.  A hallucination.  Must've been that Kool-Aid that I drank.

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