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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 06:08:34 PM »
I am impressed how OP manages to stay on track and objective while discussing his beliefs, which people are taking apart lol, agree with him or not..its impressive he is having a mature disucssion and tolerant of other peoples view instead of flying of the handle and calling people all sorts of things like most traditionalist people do when people disagree with them.



Thanks for editing my post, I got the point lol.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:16:30 PM »
I am impressed how OP manages to stay on track and objective while discussing his beliefs, which people are taking apart lol, agree with him or not..its impressive he is having a mature disucssion and tolerant of other peoples view instead of flying of the handle and calling people all sorts of things like most traditionalist do when people disagree with them.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 02:09:57 AM »
Hmmm...

I think that sometimes people forget that not everyone in this country is Christian and that not everyone follows the same bible.  

It always blows my mind when I hear someone trying to push their traditional Christian values on every person they know, even those that follow different religions.  I am catholic, but I would never expect my good Egyptian/Muslim friend to act like a "good catholic girl."  I would never expect our government to force Christian values on her and her family--the same way that I would never expect her to force her muslim values on me.
And yes, she is an American citizen.

Ugh, some people just can't see past their own little world....

I wasn't aware that Christian values were different from Muslim values (at least with respect to the things the OP identified)...please explain.

Well, just the other day she started to explain to me that in her religion, men can have as many wives as they so choose, but women can only have one husband.  Also, if a woman is caught cheating on her husband, it's considered "okay" to kill her as a form of punishment....

Good god lol, but if she all this information to contrast her religion with and it still makes sense to her and she wants to abide by it, thats all her. Isnt that the point of America!! I would seriouly like to hear how OP will reconcile the situation you described with the notion of bringing back those "traditional values".

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:44:31 AM »
Well as far as the education goes, I was making the point it is not adequate enough. Those who get private school educations obviously have better chances, but my point is the public schools are inadequate in general. They do not prepare you as well as they should, especially in the urban area. They were never equal in the past atleast they were somewhat adequate.

As far as the economy, yes these "evil" people have been hit the most, but they have not been impacted like the average person. Yes they lost money, but thier kids will still have money to retire on, sent thier kids to college, and etc. However the average person "who took a hit" can now barely live in a house, fund thier kids college, and etc. So its not even a comparison and the fact that they took the most hit financially does not justify their reckless behavior. They got greedy and they wanted more and more and that is why it crumbled. Yes there are some accountability on the average person part, but if the banks did thier job they would have knows these average joes that did not qualify should not be granted loans for house. Instead greed blinded their eye towards responsbility and the government made things even easier for them. So now they are "too big to fail" while the average person is too small to save.

I agree with much of what you're saying. I'm not trying to justify anyone's behavior (lender or borrower). All I'm saying is that a free-market, in general, is preferable to a command economy or equality of condition. I also tend to believe that free-markets promote equality of opportunity which is the ideal I am most persuaded by.



I agree with you as well. Free market has served us well, all criticism of it should be done inorder to make it better and not dissapear. All these other nations can say other types of economy are better, but they will be in the United States in heart beat if they could lol. I am not arguing against doing away with it, just it should be handled with more responsiblity.

Which makes me realize, we have ended up in a whole different topic than what OP started on lol, I guess they all interrelated somewhat..

so how about them traditions lol

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:33:37 AM »
wait a second...

You guys have spent this whole thread questioning (probably rightly) OP's conception of traditional values, and now you Obama2, decide to set yourself up as the arbiter for the proper amount of income inequality in the country...

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Yes there will be still gaps of wealth and social class, but they shouldnt be so far apart

Talk about undercutting your own argument.  BTW, could you define "somewhat reasonable" disparities?  Sounds sort of like defining "traditional values" doesn't it...

well as the convo progressed we came to that topic. I am not setting myself up as anything, the topic came up and I stated my opinion. I do not claim my thoughts to be a universal truth. Its just my opinion and I will be glad to discuss it with anyone. And I feel like I learned some new point of view from someone that makes me change mind, I will be glad to do so. SO CHILL OUT!!

It does sound like that but I think we can all agree, and Im sure everyone has thier own defination of "somewhat reasonable" and it should be a defination we all can meet half way on. But Im sure we can agree that people being foreclosed on while CEOs and banks are getting bailed out with our money..is far from "Somewhat reasonable"

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:27:36 AM »
Well as far as the education goes, I was making the point it is not adequate enough. Those who get private school educations obviously have better chances, but my point is the public schools are inadequate in general. They do not prepare you as well as they should, especially in the urban area. They were never equal in the past atleast they were somewhat adequate.

As far as the economy, yes these "evil" people have been hit the most, but they have not been impacted like the average person. Yes they lost money, but thier kids will still have money to retire on, sent thier kids to college, and etc. However the average person "who took a hit" can now barely live in a house, fund thier kids college, and etc. So its not even a comparison and the fact that they took the most hit financially does not justify their reckless behavior. They got greedy and they wanted more and more and that is why it crumbled. Yes there are some accountability on the average person part, but if the banks did thier job they would have knows these average joes that did not qualify should not be granted loans for house. Instead greed blinded their eye towards responsbility and the government made things even easier for them. So now they are "too big to fail" while the average person is too small to save.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 01:05:08 AM »

Free markets have waste and harmful biproducts, but free markets based on good principles are usually good for everyone.  



nothing is good for everyone. It may sound like it in theory but in reality lets not kid ourself. I bet you wont find 1 poor person who agrees with that statement. Free market is great when you have equal access to it and the disparities are atleast somewhat reasonable. But when it is getting to be ridiculous like it is right now, all bets are off..slowly or surly

What do you propose as an alternative?

SOCIALISM, just kidding I know OP almost had an heart attack just now lol. A free market that allows equal access to those that want it. Also educational system that gives more chances of making the playing field to be somewhat equal. Yes there will be still gaps of wealth and social class, but they shouldnt be so far apart that those that have keep getting more and those that have not keep getting less. Especially when it is  a result of no oversight on those controlling economy and unfair/scandelous practices.

I know there is no magic pill but we can make it better than it is right now.  

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 12:49:48 AM »


Free markets have waste and harmful biproducts, but free markets based on good principles are usually good for everyone.  



nothing is good for everyone. It may sound like it in theory but in reality lets not kid ourself. I bet you wont find 1 poor person who agrees with that statement. Free market is great when you have equal access to it and the disparities are atleast somewhat reasonable. But when it is getting to be ridiculous like it is right now, all bets are off..slowly or surly

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 12:39:55 AM »
umm how about let people be kind, all these good things in the way that makes sense to them!!! something little I like to call personal choice.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Howard or Maryland?
« on: March 24, 2009, 12:35:43 AM »

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