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Current Law Students / Re: 2L...what to do with 1L books?
« on: July 15, 2008, 11:48:47 AM »
Apologies if there is a similar thread somewhere (if so, please guide me there...).

So I finished 1L and am wondering what to do with my books. I want to get rid of as many as possible. But are there casebooks or supplements you should keep for studying for the bar? Should I keep the FRCP and/or the UCC? Supplements such as Emmanuel (Contracts) and E&E (CivPro and CrimPro)?

Thanks for any advice.

I will say why sell them when all you get is a meagre amount of money. You call sell some when the price reflects the quality of the book, some people take the piss wanting to get a used book for way less than half price, it doesn't hurt to keep them, does it?

Current Law Students / Re: OCI advice for 2Ls.
« on: July 11, 2008, 04:24:15 PM »
I thought this would be a helpful thread for all those going through the process of OCI in the next few months.  I am currently a rising 3L and went through it all last year.  However, the reason I am making this thread is that as my summer associate experience is coming to a close, I have learned (As I am sure pretty much every other summer has also learned) a good overview of what goes on in the firm, what they like to hear, what the summer program is like, what they look for in candidates, what is proper convo during lunches, and basically stuff I wish I knew before I was interviewing. 

without getting into explicit detail, I thought I would make some of the following suggestions- some are obvious, some are not. 

1. social skills matter almost MORE then experience at the interview stage: (duh):  when you ask "what makes this firm different then any other firm?"  they ALL say the people.  and it's true.  you are going to be working LATE hours with these people.  if you are on a heavy, time pressed case with other associates, you will be eating meals with them and seeing them more often then your significant others- they want someone who they can hang out with, talk to and generally have a good time with when doing work.  While you make think all this is obvious, i dont think its stressed enough.  when you have the interview, you got the foot in the door, nows the time to shine- smile alot, be friendly and social and show them that you are an AWESOME PERSON while being polite and professional at the same time. 

2.  RESEARCH the firm before hand:  that was my number one biggest mistake.  I figured they all practiced the same stuff, they were all big, all paid alot- all the same. when they would ask "why us?" I would B.S. something about how they had a great diverse practice area and had such a strong reputation. bad, bad, bad.  find out who their clients are, find out DETAILS about the practice area.- if they are heavy in banking & finance find out what recent matters they handled and stress WHY that interests you. its not enough to say the firm has a great reputation b/c it won X, Y, and Z case- you want to say why that appeals to you.  firms are VERY VERY proud of what they have accomplished and they like to stress their individuality.  show them that this matters to you as well.

3.  ask about the details of the summer program: buddies, mentor, training, work assignments and feedback.  I was always scared to ask this b/c I didnt really know what was expected in a summer program.  what i learned was that each program is different in how its run:  what type of assignments will I be getting?  Do I get to pick the practice groups? What is the feedback like? are there educational programs throughout the summer, etc. etc.  this is huge b/c this is what you are being hired for, you want to know if the program fits your needs, esp if you are looking at offers from a variety of firms. (try to stay away from asking about how many events they have, if you will be getting a blackberry and how much the lunch budget is)

4. dont be afraid to ask about Pro Bono: firms are very proud of their pro bono work and are making huge attempts to promote it.  ask what pro bono work they do, if there are pro bono teams, if you can get involved in pro bono as a summer, etc, etc.    I was always scared I'd come off as not being devoted to the corporate world If i showed I was interested in this stuff, but they really do like to show how committed they are to this stuff.

5. Corporate v. Litigation:  what makes one different then the other? do some initial research on what actually separates the two in terms of day to day tasks- you'll find the big split in pretty much every firm and its good to have a background when asked about it in an interview (beyond the basic litigators deal with lawsuits, corporate deals with contracts). 

6. Smile and Nod alot when the interviewer goes on and on about himself:  asking the interviewer about their own experiences at the firm is awesome: they love to talk about themselves usually!!

7.  Do you have an area of interest?  You will usually get asked this.  if you dont have one, thats fine but practice what you will say (I am interested in so many different things because......; I am excited to get to work with a variety of different practice groups...)  if you do have one, make sure you have a good reason WHY you like one better. even if its just it interests you, it sounds better then saying "i've wanted to be a litigator b/c I love law and order" or "law school doenst teach us transactional stuff so I figure I should do litigation."

8.  Don't be TOO casual.  It's really a fine line.  you want to come of as personable and show them how awesome you are but you dont want to babble on about your boyfriend problems either (I've heard horror stories about this!!) be careful what topics you cover.

9. Try to stay away from sounding stuck up.  It's easy to want to sell yourself at an interview (and we all do) but when asked about certain accomplishments you want to sound down to earth, not like you are god's gift to mankind. this goes back to point number 1: they like people who they can chill with. everyone is smart, whose someone I can see myself grabbing a drink with at 1am after a 14 hour day?  play up your accomplishments without sounding like a brat.

10.  if you haven't, put hobbies on your resume. best thing I ever did.  fantastic interview starters- I got asked about certain things I put down on almost every interview and often got asked about it.

-dont schedule too many callbacks in one day: you want to be at your best and brightest, not tired and freaking out about when your next one is.
-research the firms.
-notice how they treat support staff and other lawyers. are doors open?  do the lawyers seem to know each other?  are people overall friendly?
-eat very very neatly (I have awful table manners- it took me lots of practice!)
-Smile alot

and most importantly: DO YOUR HOMEWORK.  why this firm? and why should they hire you? what will you do for them? find out what is generally expected of a summer associate and stress why that summer associate should be YOU.


Terrific advice, I enjoyed reading it, trying my luck on mini pupillage. I'm sure your advice will help along the line.

Obama has previously promised unconditionally to end the war in 2009, giving him exactly 11 months and 10 days after taking office.

He later changed that to 16 months. Now apparently his stance is to end the war in 16 months, unless it takes longer.

Two questions:
1. Does it disturb anyone else that he locked up the nomination by taking a hardline stance, and now that he is nominated he is abandoning that stance? He has already abandoned very important promises that he made, and he isn't even president yet.

2. Can someone explain to me the difference, if any, between McCain/GWB's policy and Obama's? Is there one?

Let's remember that he is not president yet, he is pushing his luck here.

"The Texas Penal Code allows the use of deadly force if the “actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary.” Deadly force can also be used to protect property when “the other is fleeing immediately after committing burglary.”"

If the above law was applied, then i think the judge or jury made the right decision. But to be honest the above law is bull. What I was taught is that you can only take someone's life if it's going to save more than one person's life. That is avoiding a worst outcome. I want to believe that if Joe Horn is black and the two victims are white, thesame decision will be reached. Isn't the law just interesting? Using deadly force to protect property, ridiculous.

Current Law Students / Fischl and Paul's Getting To Maybe
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:42:33 PM »
Just wondering if this "getting to maybe" book will be appropriate for a student in 2L or 3L or its only useful when starting law school. Any idea? I have been recommended alot of law text books but they fall short of my expectation.

Current Law Students / Re: False Confidence on the Bar
« on: July 08, 2008, 01:58:20 PM »
No, that is only telling me 1 thing and that is "do not studying for the sake of studying" You can study for a decade and assimilate nuthing but if you feel like really studying; that is when your brain is not tired, it will be like magic. It's then that you understand that complex sentence/analogy or whatever it is, in the text boook. I know for some people it is difficult to wait till that time when you will feel like studying when you have a incredible workload.

Current Law Students / Re: poor lawyers
« on: July 08, 2008, 01:45:31 PM »
Just because they all wear suits does not mean they are rich, I have not seen a really poor one myself but i guess my lecturers who also work as solicitors for those little companies are not rich, their wages is just enough to get by. Having said that, i know alot of well-to-do lawyers.

The socratic method is arguably the best method teaching, reason being that it leads to a conversation between the prof or lecturer and the student. At the end of the conversation a reasonanble student should then realise that the law is a rule that should be followed not a question of maybe something is right or wrong.

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