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my 1L classes ranged from 55 minutes to 1:10. almost all of my 2L classes are 2 hours each twice a week.

Ditto for UMN.

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General Board / Re: Crim: Worst Subject Ever?
« on: March 29, 2009, 08:04:19 PM »
I'm trying to outline provocation and grading down to manslaughter, and every minute feels like an eternity.  I'm really not sure why I hate Crim so much, but I do.  Maybe too much of the doctrine is intuitive, or the class discussions were a bit much (we had units that made everyone cringe), but I really really don't like Crim.

Anyway.  What would the MPC say about my feelings?  Objective or subjective standard?

MPC says objective.

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General Board / Re: Is it too late to apply to ANY law school?
« on: March 29, 2009, 08:03:16 PM »
none of which would you want to go to...

Amen. Get a so-so job, save money, and apply to the schools that are worth going to next year.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: PREPPING FOR 1L -- HELP
« on: March 27, 2009, 03:53:09 AM »
Hello,

I am new to this board, and am beginning law school at a T14 school in the fall.  I have read so many conflicting opinions on what (or often what not) to read and study during the months leading up to the first day of classes.

Specifically, I have seen opinions ranging from following the Planet Law School course to a T, all the way down to "don't read anything at all" before starting law school.

Can someone either point me to a thread discussing this, or share their opinion?  Thanks so much. 


And good god, do not pay for one of those "intro to law school classes". It's called Orientation. Every law school has it, and that's all you need.

The only purpose of those prep classes is to make you feel better. Pay the $4,000 to yourself, calm down, and breathe. Save the fretting for finals.

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The Stetson campus is beautiful, but isn't as close to as many firms as UMiami.

Cost of living is high, find roommates. $800-900/month for a 1 bedroom is common.

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Ditto on the minorities - although the school has a good chunk of Asian students.

Many professors invite students to lunch or coffee if you can drag 2-3 other classmates along.

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You might find this interesting, but the Princeton Review has a section on their website that notes the average starting salary for particular law schools.  I know you should probably only take this with a grain of salt, but still...

I've added a few schools you didn't mention, just for the sake of comparison....

According to the site, the average starting salary of a Columbia grad is $145,000...not too shabby.

The average starting salary for a U of Baltimore grad is $62,670.

The average starting salary of a UDC grad is $55,250.00...however, in-state tuition is only $7,350!  That's very affordable!

And the average starting salary of a Cooley grad is $47,500.

So...take that as you may.

Salaries are generally based on voluntary/self-reporting, so they are generally inflated.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: WUSTL or University of Minnesota
« on: March 18, 2009, 12:37:56 AM »
Iím a UMN 1L and I think Minneapolis is amazing.

And I moved from Miami Ė so if I can survive the cold, so can you.

Also, the quality of life in Minneapolis is amazing. Thatís one of the reasons why I moved from Miami! Housing is not that expensive. Thereís even a legal fraternity house (thatís where I live) that rents at $400/month.

Most nice apartments are $600/700 a month. A lot of students rent houses with other 1Ls and split costs too.

UMN does Chicago networking events and has a strong Chicago-student/alumni base. Ultimately your job prospects depend on your ability to network.

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Iím going to respectfully disagree with my classmate!
1) Mingling: this is section specific. In my section the early 20-somethings and the 30-somethings are in distinct groups. There are smaller cliques as well.  But itís not exactly high school, so few people are completely ostracized.

I've only been to one bar review. It was horribly attended.

2) Sections A-E. I disagree about the distribution. Every section has its own character because students aren't well distributed. I have a large number of older students in my section. There is another section that is basically animal house. Maybe the other three sections have equal distributions?

3) work load is section specific as well. My first semester 2 of my classes were only with my section (Civil Procedure, Torts) the other 2 classes were my section combined with another section (Constitutional Law, Contracts).
In legal writing our section was subdivided into groups of 8 or 9. Each small section had a student instructor and an attorney instructor. This is for individual attention. Again, things vary by which subgroup you fall in. I love my attorney-instructor and student instructor but one of my housemates is unsatisfied with her attorney-instructor because he gives her no feedback. Everything is ďfine.Ē
ÖAnd some of my classmates love their attorney-instructor but  think their student instructor is mean and condescending. Again, full spectrum.

What I mean by section-specific is that some professors will have quizzes, and midterms, or heavy/light reading assignments. For conlaw I only read about 10 pages a day. But for contracts it was 30 dense pages...

4) 2L and 3Ls: I think upperclassmen are very supportive, but they will not seek you out. The upperclassmen that I know are either housemates or people I know through student organizations. I think sharing old exams is probably against school policy (they donít let you leave with them), although a lot of exams are on reserve in the library. And make your own outline. The studying value of an outline comes from making it, not from the finished product.

Some professors provide exams, others donít. Newer professors who didnít have old exams generally provided a practice exam as an ungraded midterm.

5) Career Services Ė career services is off limits for 1Ls until November, so you will hear a lot from MJF (Minnesota Justice Foundation) which is BASICALLY the public law career office.   There are also clubs like the Asylum Law Project that allow 1Ls to have public-law experience.

For coats I found H&M to be the best. I overspent on a coat at Burlington Coat Factory in Miami, and wore my $40 H&M coat most days. I would buy winter clothes now while they are all on sale!

And god, you must think the school is nuts if your going off my blog...

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General Board / Re: Living with other law students during 1L?
« on: March 18, 2009, 12:04:45 AM »
I live in a fraternity house with 12 other law students. It's fine as long as you don't feel obligated to spend every second with your housemates.

A rule of thumb is that when you live with other law students, hang out at your friends at THEIR houses. That way you meet more people without annoying your housemates.

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