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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT/IQ Conversion Table
« on: August 21, 2008, 11:50:17 AM »
Because including "Mensa Member" on your cv or resume constitutes bragging about your IQ. And bragging your IQ is a bit much like bragging about your height, shoe size or *ehem* "endowments."

It is no worse than putting "Member, ABA Student Section" on your resume. It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it is an organization that you are a member of. It doesn't constitute bragging at all. I think you are reading way too much into it. Some people (on this board!) put their hobbies on their resume.

I would propose that a great many people who top their classes aren't necessarily the most intelligent of their classmates.
I agree.

By the way, have you ever actually been to a Mensa meeting? It's slacker central - not a glowing attribute to include on a resume.

Better than gunner-central...

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT/IQ Conversion Table
« on: August 20, 2008, 08:55:53 PM »
If you want to talk about science, and none of your peers do, then Mensa may be nice for you.

Or if you want to talk about Cats and Chocolate...

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT/IQ Conversion Table
« on: August 20, 2008, 08:50:06 PM »
I don't think I would include my Mensa membership on my cv or resume for fear of looking like an arrogant prick.
Not to mention that a Mensa membership is statistically unremarkable, since 1 in 50 people would qualify.

It certainly would earn you a "so what?" response though..

Most people who qualify don't know that they do. Most people seem to be at least somewhat interested in it. I don't think I come off as arrogant at all. Does listing your class rank make you arrogant?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT/IQ Conversion Table
« on: August 20, 2008, 08:38:30 PM »
let me just qualify what I said above... by "real" test I mean one that cannot be learned.  As is evident on this forum, many plan to take the lsat again because they can "learn" it.  An IQ test ( a real one ), the MENSA test, or almost any other acceptable test (as they have barred the SAT, PSAT) is "unlearnable".  I think that is an important distinction.

Exactly, the LSAT is not a real IQ test. It just happens to be IQ test-ish.

... also a Mensa member. If you put it on your resume, you will often get asked about it by law firms, btw.

Current Law Students / Re: Science Major
« on: August 17, 2008, 10:17:53 AM »
You can go to most law schools in America with that GPA. No worries. Get a good LSAT and you're golden.

As for the science classes, they don't matter unless you have the degree. Engineers, for example, are often cut some slack on GPA when applying to law schools. That isn't because their classes were hard (which they were), but because patent lawyers need people with a technical background to hire, and there aren't a lot of 3.8 GPA engineers out there.

Job Search / Re: Disappointed in OCI - Read this instead
« on: August 08, 2008, 08:43:27 PM »
Do a mailing to firms in the cities/areas you want to work in. Give it about two weeks, and then call anyone you haven't heard from.

Grad school at U of P would not be advisable, but a U of P undergrad degree, coupled with an ABA approved law school will probably not matter to future employers.

I have no idea how Law Schools view UofPhx grad. degrees. I'm 90% sure their MBA program, for example, isn't even accredited. That said, the BA programs are regionally accredited, which means that the credits from those are at least, as far as most schools are concerned as "good" as those from any other school-you've-heard-of.

If you get the LSAT score they want, the Law School will accept you. They might not like it, but it's a numbers game, and a good UofPhx GPA and reasonably high LSAT (for that school) will get you in. Guaranteed.

FWIW: I am a complete snob when it comes to these things, and personally look down on any school with open enrollment. Nonetheless, I won't lie to you: do well in GPA and LSAT and the name at the top of your diploma won't matter. Hell, you could have gone to Hamburger University (which, is actually accredited to offer college credit), and they'll accept you if you've got the numbers.


My advice is that if you are an AZ resident, and ASU offers an online degree that you want, go through ASU.

Job Search / Re: Lowenstein Sandler, Roseland NJ
« on: August 08, 2008, 07:35:09 PM »
I'm almost 100% certain that I'll try to land a 1L job with them.  What should I emphasize in the cover letter?  Do they have any flagship practice areas?

It is a full-service firm. They have a notable Venture Capital practice.

My BS was a combination of a bunch of UoP classes, Rio Salado online classes and ASU classes (mostly in person). I donít think it impacted my applications at all, not near as much as my crappy LSAT score did. BUT be careful not all of the UoP classes transferred to ASU, I lost like 20 credits I paid a ton of money for. But all the Rio Salado classes transferred because it was a Maricopa Community College, I took most of my required courses through them online.  Then my majorís classes at ASU (in fact I was dual enrolled in both for awhile).

How did you like Tempe?

Current Law Students / Re: commercial outlines - WHICH ONE?!
« on: August 07, 2008, 01:38:05 PM »
You can use commercial outlines such as Emmanuels or Gilberts or Crunchtime or whatever, to supplement your outline, but nothing takes the place of doing your own.

There are so many study aids out there, you really need to find what works best for you. I used a mixture depending on the class. The only steady one I found that I liked was the Crunchtime series, but by no means is it exhaustive. I found it to be a great and quick review tool. The others you mentioned are more extensive, but you might not need that much.
Agreed. Crunchtime is great, but it's not designed to be used outside of "crunchtime." Aptly named though...

The Understanding Series and other treatises and hornbooks I found to be more helpful during the semester when I was struggling with a concept. I wouldn't recommend using them as a review tool.
I RARELY used hornbooks. I will say this though: they are useless when you're trying to study. Remember that your goal in studying is to learn the material real well, and then move on to practice questions. If you start reading the hornbook during exam period, you can pretty much eliminate those practice questions.

The key is to find what works best for you. Besides your own outline, the next best thing is one from an upperclassmen who had the same prof.

I'll agree with that. I took those outlines from upperclassmen and then edited them to ensure that they had all of the info we covered.

Remember, classes change slightly from semester to semester. You have to check your outlines.

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