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Pre-Law in high school / Re: Should I look into a career in law?
« on: November 15, 2008, 10:39:51 PM »
-Edit-

I originally wrote a really sarcastic response because you are too far away to worry about your career in law.

However, I'll answer you questions.

Yes, the legal field is still very lucrative. The hours aren't decent. Actually, they're terrible when you're starting your career and don't always get better. As far as everything else, I'm a 1L and haven't started worrying about which field I want and don't care about the difference in earning potential of equity and non-equity partners.

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Also, don't be the kid who tells everyone the first day of undergrad that he's going to law school. I knew 5 or 6 kids like that and 1 of them actually ended up going. Don't spend too much time worrying and preparing either. Your have four year to be irresponsible and live life; do it. Make lifelong friends and memories. All of this will teach you important lessons (when you mess up) and make you more interesting and fun (actually very important when interviewing with firms).

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2L job search / Re: No offers--now what?
« on: November 15, 2008, 10:21:48 PM »
Judging by his snarky responses to the innocent questions posed earlier, I'm guessing he's incredibly obnoxious IRL, and, therefore, a terrible interviewer.

jerk

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1L job search / How do you use contacts?
« on: November 06, 2008, 12:17:05 AM »


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1L job search / Re: Jobs
« on: October 29, 2008, 10:34:52 PM »
How much?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SMU Reduced Load Program
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:38:43 PM »

LSAC says they reported 100%; check it out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage.aspx?sid=139

93.2% Employed
1.5% Pursuing Graduate Degrees
5.0% Unemployed (Seeking, not seeking, or studying for the bar)

Surely LSAC wouldn't let them put up bad numbers...

You're so naive. I just looked at my own law school's data and its reporting rate is 100% as well and I can assure you that's not accurate.

93.2% employed (9 long months after graduation) includes Joe Smith who's waiting table at Denny's and Jane Doe who works at her dad's farm and Jen Johnson who babysit her neighbor's daughter on a part-time basis.  All three of them are included in that 93.2% employed rate, because they are employed 9 months after graduation.  So, technically, they are right.  So, in other words I was "wrong" when I referred to those SMU law graduates being unemployed, because many of them are technically employed.  I hope that make things more clear.
 


You have some good points; however, there's no reason (except cynicism) to assume that most/many of the people in "business and industry" are working in restaurants or farms. I'll agree that at least a few probably are, but anything beyond that is pure speculation.

There's also no reason to doubt the reporting rate. It's very possible to get answers from 264 people. At my undergrad they prompted us to take a survey several times after graduating; if you didn't take, they called you once a week until you did.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SMU Reduced Load Program
« on: October 06, 2008, 10:47:09 PM »

As far as reporting rate, I'm just telling you what they told me. As far as 2008 graduates, I personally know none (How many do you know?). I do, however, know many 2L's and 3Ls; none know of any 2008 graduates still looking for jobs, much less waiting tables.


Com'on now.  Use common sense. There is no school that would have 100% reporting rate (though not sure about small top schools like Yale and Stanford, even them, I am somewhat skeptical, because the last stats I've seen, in those schools, the reporting rate is still in the 90s or 80s). 

2Ls and 3Ls are in school and they are being asked all the time.  But, once someone graduated, they don't go around advertising their unemployment or underemployment stats.  I know many 2008 grads (including those on some law review or journals) who are unemployed and some 2007-2005 who are employed, but not as lawyers. 

LSAC says they reported 100%; check it out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/SearchResults/SchoolPage.aspx?sid=139

93.2% Employed
1.5% Pursuing Graduate Degrees
5.0% Unemployed (Seeking, not seeking, or studying for the bar)

Surely LSAC wouldn't let them put up bad numbers...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Another Tier 3/4 question
« on: October 03, 2008, 12:28:08 PM »
Any tier one graduate who has passed the bar and is "still looking for a job that pays $50k" has made a huge mistake somewhere and this situation is far from common.

It is much more common than you think.  Especially schools ranked 50-30.  In other words, it's not uncommon to hear about a Wake Forest, UF, SMU, etc. graduates being unemployed.  In that case, the UF graduates are better off though due to low debt.

I go to a tier one school in the 40s...  ;)

It's not nearly as common as you think.

Me also.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Another Tier 3/4 question
« on: October 03, 2008, 12:26:41 PM »
Ok peoples...

  • Stop trying to find a rule where one doesn't exist.  Every firm is different.  Every law school graduate is different.
  • Any tier one graduate who has passed the bar and is "still looking for a job that pays $50k" has made a huge mistake somewhere and this situation is far from common.
  • Any firm could require 3000 billables, any firm could require 1200 billables - size doesn't necessarily matter.
  • Stop focusing on $160k starting salaries.  Start looking at longterm.  (sometimes BIGLAW is best long term, but not always)

Bobot,

While I appreciate your candor, you have violated several LSD rules in posting it. You did not speak in broad generalizations about things you donít have experience with. [violation 1] You did not give anecdotal evidence that your cousins best friends college roommate went to a school ranked in the 30s was top .05% on EIC of two law reviews and argued and won a case before the supreme court during his clinic 3rd year could only get a job paying $4.27 to do document review then say therefore no one gets a job from any school outside the top 14. [violation 2]. Please conform your posts to traditional talking out of one ass standards this board has come to expect.

Thanks you for your prompt attention to this matter,

Matthies


Genius. I completely agree

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SMU Reduced Load Program
« on: October 03, 2008, 12:24:36 PM »
hopeful, you're just telling the truth.  With tuition of $15K per year, it might be worth it to go to SMU, but anything beyond $20 per year, SMU is not worth it considering the number of its graduates being unemployed, under-employed, etc. 

In-state tuition at UH and Texas Tech are worth considering. 

I haven't seen any real data suggesting SMU grads have a hard time finding jobs. I'll I've seen are people on this forum saying such things with nothing to back it up. Don't give the school a bad rap unless you have valid info supporting what you say.

I personally wouldn't pay full price at SMU if I had a scholarship to Texas Tech or Houston. I think Tech is a good school. However, if there was only at 10K or 15K difference I would seriously think about SMU. Just the differences in average starting salary would make up for the difference in tuition in no time.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SMU Reduced Load Program
« on: October 03, 2008, 12:16:21 PM »
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