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General Off-Topic Board / Re: We must return to traditional values.
« on: March 24, 2009, 11:42:52 AM »
Why this country alone? Why not the world?
Protecting this country and protecting the world are not mutually exclusive.
Which constitution? Oh, THE Constitution, with a capital "C"? Is the National Archives not doing its job? Does it need a new case? More UV light protection?
Sorry about my capitalization problem.
Yay! States' Rights!
It may seem old fashioned because of interstate/international commerce and communication, but the states still have an important place in government. The federal government is becoming far to substantial.
"This country"? What, its leaders? The actions of those leaders? Its pop culture? Its amber waves of grain? Can you be more specific about what it is I'm supposed to be teaching my children (other than, of course, that "this country" was built on the bones and stolen land of their ancestors.)
Teach your children to think for themselves, to have minds of their own, and to decide what is true based on the evidence. Also teach them that there are many great reasons to choose to live in the USA other than default or convenience.
Teach them to take the pledge of allegiance seriously.
Teach them to honor the laws of the land.
All religions? Or yours? (Edited to note that Catholicism is a pretty rabidly "socialist" religion - shouldn't we be encouraging an assault on it?)
Yes, all religions. Many religions are socialistic. I see nothing wrong with private religious institutions seeking to help the poor and promote charity by the wealthy. But that is different than governmentally mandated socialism.
Including traditional Mormon marriage?
If you want to get technical about tradition, when "mormonism" was started, the members did not practice plural marriage, so I guess One man one woman marriage would be "traditional" mormon marriage.
Who is going to provide these incentives? The federal government? Or will we leave this up to states? And how does that jibe with the whole "free market" thang?
Consumers provide incentives for innovation.
I guess I should correct myself. I guess I mean that the government should not increase the burden on a person/company just because it is innovative and productive.
Hmmm, "socialism" is actually a traditional value in my culture. Or is only your culture the one we're protecting?
Socialism would be fine if good and honest leaders fairly distributed the wealth to all citizens, and the huge majority of citizens were good and honest and worked hard in spite of the socialist ceiling.
That is not the case in the US. We need the market (The demands of consumers) to protect our interests, even if the system is not perfect.
That would require more government regulation, and since much of it flows across state lines and over the internet, probably more federal government regulation.
Yes it would. But sometimes compromises must be made. Pornography does far more harm than good, and because it does cross state lines, it falls into the limited scope of the federal government.
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- Spend more time with your family and less time at work.
See, socialism supports this - capitalism...not so much.
In a capitalist society, most people can chose what they want to do. While I think it is important for everyone to spend more time with their family, it is even more important that people have the right to choose.
Protecting this country and protecting the world are not mutually exclusive.
Which constitution? Oh, THE Constitution, with a capital "C"? Is the National Archives not doing its job? Does it need a new case? More UV light protection?
Sorry about my capitalization problem.
Yay! States' Rights!
It may seem old fashioned because of interstate/international commerce and communication, but the states still have an important place in government. The federal government is becoming far to substantial.
"This country"? What, its leaders? The actions of those leaders? Its pop culture? Its amber waves of grain? Can you be more specific about what it is I'm supposed to be teaching my children (other than, of course, that "this country" was built on the bones and stolen land of their ancestors.)
Teach your children to think for themselves, to have minds of their own, and to decide what is true based on the evidence. Also teach them that there are many great reasons to choose to live in the USA other than default or convenience.
Teach them to take the pledge of allegiance seriously.
Teach them to honor the laws of the land.
All religions? Or yours? (Edited to note that Catholicism is a pretty rabidly "socialist" religion - shouldn't we be encouraging an assault on it?)
Yes, all religions. Many religions are socialistic. I see nothing wrong with private religious institutions seeking to help the poor and promote charity by the wealthy. But that is different than governmentally mandated socialism.
Including traditional Mormon marriage?
If you want to get technical about tradition, when "mormonism" was started, the members did not practice plural marriage, so I guess One man one woman marriage would be "traditional" mormon marriage.
Who is going to provide these incentives? The federal government? Or will we leave this up to states? And how does that jibe with the whole "free market" thang?
Consumers provide incentives for innovation.
I guess I should correct myself. I guess I mean that the government should not increase the burden on a person/company just because it is innovative and productive.
Hmmm, "socialism" is actually a traditional value in my culture. Or is only your culture the one we're protecting?
Socialism would be fine if good and honest leaders fairly distributed the wealth to all citizens, and the huge majority of citizens were good and honest and worked hard in spite of the socialist ceiling.
That is not the case in the US. We need the market (The demands of consumers) to protect our interests, even if the system is not perfect.
That would require more government regulation, and since much of it flows across state lines and over the internet, probably more federal government regulation.
Yes it would. But sometimes compromises must be made. Pornography does far more harm than good, and because it does cross state lines, it falls into the limited scope of the federal government.
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- Spend more time with your family and less time at work.
See, socialism supports this - capitalism...not so much.
In a capitalist society, most people can chose what they want to do. While I think it is important for everyone to spend more time with their family, it is even more important that people have the right to choose.