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Current Law Students / Re: Work Outside of Law School
« on: September 09, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »
"Standards for Approval of Law Schools," the American Bar Association mandates that law students enrolled in more than 12 class hours may not work more than 20 hours per week.

This is correct, and it is acknowledged (if not monitored) at most schools.
Some students are involved in clinics where they get work experience and credit during the semester.  I went to a T2 and I imagine only about 1/4 or 1/5 work during the semester (for paying jobs)

Current Law Students / Re: OCI interview
« on: June 21, 2010, 12:49:44 PM »
This may be a bit off topic, but I think it's important to remember that many law firms come to OCI days with a certain amount of time (like 5 hours).  Depending on how they break up their time, they may have spots for 15-30 interviews.  Maybe some firms interview for 8 hours and pack in even more. 

Those firms probably have a "short list" with the people who meet their grade criteria and then a bunch of other applicants that I would call a "wild card pool."
They figure they have to be on campus anyway, so why not keep their eyes peeled for that diamond in the rough that just seems to connect with them.  I have one friend who was good enough in interviews to overcome his average grades, but many people aren't so talented.  I know for a fact that I've been in many interviews where I didn't really have a chance to begin with.  I talked to a hiring partner who explained that OCI was basically a process where they would talk to all the people with amazing resumes and make sure those people weren't horrible in person, and then they would blow through interviews with the borderline applicants and issue a call-back interview if they saw something special.
I believe grades matter much less once you get to a second interview, especially if it is very long. (even 30+ minutes or maybe up to a half-day interview)

Current Law Students / Re: Suggested reading prior to law school?
« on: June 07, 2010, 08:50:04 PM »
What is your goal?  Getting a head start?  I'm not sure there is a good way to do that.

The Civ Pro E&E is one of the best law supplements out there, and most of the other E&E's aren't as good. 

I personally think you should avoid reading law related stuff for a few months leading up to law school, but whatever.  You could always go buy your text books and read the first few chapters of each of them.  Then at least you wouldn't have to do it during the first week of school.

My advice would be to go get 24 or LOST or House, M.D. on DVD and watch them straight through.... you'll spend plenty of time reading this fall.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Help with choosing the right computer
« on: June 03, 2010, 06:03:11 PM »
I don't know if this site is the best place to get help.

If you haven't checked out the forums at, you should.  They have specific threads to help you choose the best laptop for your situation.

For what it's worth, I love asus computers, but if I could go back in time I'd probably just buy a macbook pro for law school. 

Current Law Students / Re: Feeling suicidal
« on: May 02, 2010, 07:02:15 AM »
Go see your medical doctor (or go to a clinic/hospital) right now.  She will refer you to someone who can help you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: law school scam
« on: April 22, 2010, 11:07:48 AM »
Yeah, lawschoolscam and laidofflawyer doesn't sound biased at all.

Do you guys also watch Fox News and go "Hey, this really is fair and balanced!" ?

Just asking.

The problem is that most of the sources about law school and the legal profession either come from unemployed JDs, law students, and law schools/faculty.
Employed, busy, successful lawyers don't really have time to blog about it very much.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 22, 2010, 08:34:05 AM »
These words say it all "they didn't hear anything back"

I'm sure they could have done more, but the fact is that there are way more qualified applicants to JAG than job opportunities.
So a great deal of applicants simply can't get a job there no matter what they do.

The argument (that someone else made) that getting into JAG is some sort of easy back-up plan is ridiculous.
It's almost as silly as those who claim anyone can get a job at a DAs office.   Most public sector jobs are extremely competitive. 

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 21, 2010, 08:48:08 PM »
Which branch were they trying for? Did they try all the military brances and their civilian jag counterparts too?
Did they keep applying untill they met the qualifications or just move onto something else?

I know one guy who managed to do ROTC while he was in law school and he got a position (Army JAG)

I know of two other people who submitted applications but never interviews.  (Air Force JAG)  Both of them had above average grades and one was on law review.  They both went to the initial informational interviews and felt good about it, but neither of them ever heard anything.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 21, 2010, 07:21:12 AM »
Unless your a Felon or an invalid the service can take you. If you're a coward, that's what the civie corps are for.
Just one idea that is there but people don't want. That's all. And hell yeah, people would be still whineing if they were super-easy to get into. People feel it's there civic duty to do so. My God, 5 figures a year.....Razors,I need razors...... :-\

Joining the military is a possibility for almost everyone, getting a job with JAG is not.
I know plenty of really qualified candidates who were rejected by JAG.
If you get accepted in to JAG, you graduate the modified basic training as a Lieutenant, you get a great bonus, and the loan forgiveness is amazing.  As a result, you have way more applicants than positions.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 20, 2010, 08:14:12 PM »

The legal market doesn't look like it's going to behave normally for a while.  More people took the Bar and the LSAT last year than ever before.  Law school tuition is still rising because enrollment is going up, and there is very little market pressure for schools to change that.
So the cost of entering the profession is going up, and the market is getting more and more flooded.

Yes you can go to law school and find a successful career, and the market might get better over the next few years, but things have changed.

For example:  I'd recommend going to a T3 school with a full scholarship over a school ranked around 50 for full price.  Four years ago? No way.

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