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Not so much terrified... but, I am extremely anxious.  I began studying for the LSAT in December '07, took the thing in June '08, spent the entire time after that going through the admissions process.  I read up all of the books I can about the law school experience, not because I think that they can help me, but because I'm just so ready for the culmination of this entire process.

Anxious is the word.

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Law School Applications / Re: What are my best bets? 3.9, 168
« on: July 04, 2009, 11:51:59 AM »
This past cycle, I applied with a 169 and a 3.94 (very close to you).  These were my results:

Harvard: Rejected

Coluimibia: Deferred (withdrew)

Virginia: Waitlisted

Michigan: Accepted, $45k/ year

Duke: Accepted, $61k/ year

Vanderbilt: Accepted, $82k/ year

Emory: Accepted, $81k/ year (was offered interview for full-tuition scholarship)

WUSTL: Accepted, $102k/ year

Kentucky: Accepted, full ride + stipend




I have a family here in Kentucky, and it is where I want to practice, so it made sense for me to take the money and run.  As my cycle shows, those numbers can get you into some really good schools... good luck!

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: First Year Law Classes
« on: July 01, 2009, 08:55:23 AM »
Copied directly from the UK Law website


Fall Semester

LAW 801 CONTRACTS/SALES I (3 hours)
Formation of contracts; offer, acceptance, consideration. Statute of Frauds, parol evidence rule. Sale of goods under Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code.

LAW 804 Legal Research and Writing Skills (3 hours)
Use of research materials, legal writing, the fundamentals of legal analysis, and the solution of selected legal problems.

LAW 805 TORTS (4 hours)
Intentional torts and defenses, and the basic elements of negligence law, including duty and standard of care, causation in fact and proximate cause. Strict liability and products liability, as well as other select issues of tort law.

LAW 810 CRIMINAL LAW (3 hours)
The criminal act, complete and incomplete; criminal intent, actual and constructive; duress and mistake of fact, of law; justification; parties in crime; crimes against the person and crimes against property.

LAW 815 CIVIL PROCEDURE I (3 hours)
Introduction to the civil action; personal and in rem jurisdiction; service of process and notice; subject matter jurisdiction; venue; choice of law; pleading.

Spring Semester

LAW 802 CONTRACTS/SALES II (3 hours)
Sale of goods under Article 2 of the Uniform Commercial Code. Performance, express and implied conditions, repudiation, impossibility.

LAW 807 PROPERTY (4 hours)
Rights in personal and real property, gifts, estates, landlord-tenant law, land transfers, land contracts, covenants, recording acts, easements and real covenants.

LAW 817 CIVIL PROCEDURE II (3 hours)
Joinder of claims and parties; discovery, summary judgment; right to jury trial; trials and posttrial motions; res judicata and collateral estoppel.

LAW 820 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW I (3 hours)
Judicial interpretation of the constitution; the federal system; powers of the national government; limitations on the exercise of state powers; separation of powers.

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This seems like a no-brainer to me.  You want to work in the area that your school is in.  Your grades rock at a school has some "very good local recognition", which, by extension, means that it places well in your local area... the area you want to work in.

Call me crazy (you wouldn't be the first), but I wouldn't budge.  No way.  Law review + top 8% + networking in the area you want to practice in = stay where you are. 

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I can imagine that it would be very difficult.  Think about it- most solo practitioners charge a percentage of settlement/ winnings, as opposed to an hourly rate. 

FYI the above is NOT true. There are only certain types of cases that your allowed to charge a contigancy fee on at all, most solo’s charge by the hour or case. But the networking part is true. Although if you do it right and network during law school you can have a good network of mentors and advisors by the time you graduate. I know a few people who started their own practice right after law school and have done very well, but each of them had a network of lawyers and judges to turn to referrals and advice. If you want to start your own practice network a lot during school.

This is probably correct... Matthies tends to be right on.  I was just drawing on my personal experience with attorneys I have worked with. 

Still seems like it would be very difficult... networking would be essential.

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I can imagine that it would be very difficult.  Think about it- most solo practitioners charge a percentage of settlement/ winnings, as opposed to an hourly rate.  This means that Person A, who has a large claim, has two options: take the case to a less experienced attorney with a smaller chance of making bank, or take the case to a more experienced attorney.  Since costs are tied to performance, it will, theoretically, Person A will still net more money with a more experienced attorney (assuming experience and skill are correlated).  Therefore, Person A has absolutely zero incentive to go to a new attorney who has just completely law school.

Furthermore, most (all?) successful solo practitioners are successful because of their extensive networks.  Not only do they bring clients in who they have dealt with in the past, but they also have fellow attorneys recommending clients to come to them.  Fresh out of law school, this network would be pretty much non-existent.

I think it would be awesome to have a law firm (essentially your own business) straight out of law school.  Realistically, though, the system still encourages gaining experience under someone else before going out on your own.

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Your page= weak.  Quit flooding the boards with links to it.

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1L job search / Targeting firms early
« on: June 12, 2009, 10:31:54 AM »
I am starting school at UK in August, and I hope to continue to practice law in Lexington.  I have begun researching firms in the area, and I have found three particular firms that interest me the most.  All three of these firms hire 1Ls for summer, and they all hire a majority of their associates from UK.  They also conduct 1L OCIs at UK.

I am curious as to whether there is anything in particular that I can do to ensure that I interview with these firms when 1L OCIs come around.  I understand that the main thing I can do is keep my grades up and get on Law Review.  But is this enough?  Is the interview process so reliant on numbers that if I get good grades, I should get an interview, or is there anything I can do to make myself more attractive to each particular firm?  I'm posting this here because I'm guessing most of you posting in this board is already looking at/ going through the process.

Thanks for any helpful responses.

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I agree- very cool.  If anyone else has anything to share, please do so.

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Forgive my ignorance, and I say this with absolutely no intentions of being a flame, but what advantage would something like Westlaw have over Wikipedia?  I am not familiar at all with Westlaw, but I know that you can read pretty much everything about every major case on Wikipedia.  Granted, I realize there is a large caveat (that being that information can be modified by users and is subject to errors), but still... it seems pretty reliable.


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