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I've always thought that most people don't belong in college. They treat it like vocational/trade school, and it's not. They don't do that in Europe. I went to college because I like learning, and I knew that whatever I ended up in: teaching/research/proffessional degree I would NEED a degree.

If you don't NEED a degree to do something that makes you happy, don't go to college. And stop dumbing it down for the rest of us. sheeesh.

PS: same thing seems to be true for law school. It is not a trade school for lawyers.

i agree with this 100%. it is definitely not the consensus though - especially the postscript.

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General Board / Re: Prof Posted Sample Answers from T25 and YLS
« on: February 10, 2009, 10:52:14 PM »
Although I didn't want to think it at first . . .

yes you did. in fact, you more than anyone would read the answers so as to make them comport with your t14-or-bust view of the world, which is why this post, like all your others, has absolutely no value or credibility.

I had to close my eyes, lest I be blown away by analytical prowess and intellectual ability. . .

lol. such a tool.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LOWEST LSAT SCORE ACCEPTED
« on: January 29, 2009, 08:51:34 PM »
And, getting into law school isn't the only (or real) issue.  You probably do not want to go to law school for esoteric reasons.  You'd probably like to have a realistic chance to pass the bar exam.  Anybody who cannot pull an LSAT score at least in the high 140s is going to have a hard time learning the law.  (It is not just about memorizing laws.  It is about how to use them.  That involves an understanding of basic verbal logic). 

I trust you tell this to prospective customers who have diagnostic scores lower than 150, right?

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Transferring / Re: Transfer odds?
« on: January 23, 2009, 05:22:33 PM »
I am a 1L at a T25 school with a 3.61/top 15%...any thoughts on transferring in terms of where I have a chance and whether or not it is worth the effort for increased job prospects?

Thanks!

So you're at...BU? Emory? WUSTL? GWU? W & L? Texas (location)? Minnesota (location)? I doubt you would transfer from USC, Vanderbilt, UCLA or ND.

Or are you at an "arguable top-25" like Fordham, William & Mary, BC, etc.

Just curious.

very subtle plug for ND.

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Transferring / Re: Transfering from cooley any advice
« on: December 19, 2008, 03:53:42 PM »
someone has to point out my error because it seems GW isn't as transfer friendly as everyone thinks, at least relatively speaking. They took 33 transfers in 2008, which is about the same or less than many other top 20 schools (see e.g. GULC took 100, UCLA took 38, CLS took 40, Boalt took 37, HLS took 34, Mich took 37)...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.99/166 T14?
« on: November 15, 2008, 09:36:20 PM »
166 on the LSAT.

Say hello to the T20.  gross.

given you're at a t12, how many lsat questions do you think you were away from a t20? like three?

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Factors for BigLaw
« on: November 15, 2008, 08:43:36 PM »
from someone who just went through the process i'd rank them (from most important to least):

1) Personality
2) WE
3) the rest are tied for totally meaningless.

fwiw i think people underestimate the value of work experience...but you can't really do much about that now. if i could do it all over again i would have taken a year off and gotten some relevant experience. meh still got a v20.

you're at a t12, what are you worried about? just crack the median...

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General Board / Re: Strange Transferring Question
« on: November 14, 2008, 09:58:12 AM »
i felt the exact same way you did and i ended up top 5% at a top 20 after 1L.

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Transferring / Re: Top 25 to top 14
« on: October 10, 2008, 01:23:33 AM »


Third, if you want biglaw, go T14... you will crap your pants at how much more opportunity there is JUST DURING OCI. This doesn't include resume drops and personal mailings. It's obscene.




craig i agree with all of your advice but this seems like a stretch. in talking to your friends at your old t25 do you really feel like there is that big of difference between the opportunities they had and the opportunities your t14 conferred onto you? my understanding was that, save for a select few super elites like cravath, wilcon, wachtell, all the V100 firms come to the OCIs of all the top 30 (or so) schools. i could be way off...

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Transferring / Re: Top 25 to top 14
« on: October 10, 2008, 01:15:09 AM »
people like justukshn (or whatever) fall into that narrow swath of T25ers where transferring is a no-brainer..that is, not good enough grades for LR at their original school but good enough grades to transfer up. really, it wouldn't make much sense to stay if you are in that particular situation (although moving sucks, and i guess you leave behind friends and contacts, but you can always make new friends and the "you make all your connections during 1L" thing is totally inapplicable when we are talking about biglaw - in biglaw and even midlaw you don't need contacts...it's not like people in your 1L study group are referring Barclays to you when you're an associate). if you make LR it's a whole different story and probably not wise to leave unless you can crack HSYCCN.

i don't buy the clerkship argument for transferring to some mid t14 - you will not get a federal clerkship without LR coming from a uva or a cornell, but your chances are decent coming from a T25 with an editorial board position.


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