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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Powerscore prep course???
« on: May 12, 2008, 10:44:49 PM »
Definitely Powerscore.  You can't go wrong there.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Predicament!! Opinions needed!
« on: May 12, 2008, 10:43:38 PM »
Definitely go to UGA over GSU.  The better career options (both out of school and long-term) far outweigh one year's extra tuition.

Good luck with the waitlist.  We overenrolled last year, so I don't know what that's going to do to this year's class.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Emory Class of 2011
« on: May 12, 2008, 02:01:55 PM »
Also need to send official transcripts (LSAC won't work) and vaccination records (this seriously sucks, I have no idea where to get them.)

I was able to get mine from my undergrad institution.  I'd suggest starting your search there.  Considering my undergrad 15-year reunion was a few weeks ago, I was amazed they still had them, but they did.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The "DONE WITH FINALS!!!!" Club
« on: May 12, 2008, 09:18:32 AM »
I'm in.  Graduation starts in 75 minutes, and once we get this year's 3Ls sent off, I'll officially be in my last year of law school.

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I'll be a bit of a contrarian here.   This is what worked for me, but attempt it at your own risk:

Don't outline.  At all.

Here's my story:  1L year I outlined religiously, had a great study group (the other two people in my group both made the flagship journal), did all the crap you were supposed to do.  At the end, my grades were only so-so.  So this year I pretty much said screw it and just studied the way I always did before I got to law school.  In the fall I was well above the cutoff for top 10% for my class for the semester, and I'm feeling pretty good about this semester too.

That being said, I think this will only work if you take really good class notes.  I do not transcribe.  I only write down the important stuff as it comes up.  For every case we go over, I write down the case, court, and year of the decision, a line with a quick summary of the facts so I can remember which case it was, and then whatever was important about it.  I usually end up with 40-50 pages of notes over the course of the whole semester.  Then before the exam I go over what we covered and read the appropriate chapters out of a good hornbook, and supplement my notes with stuff from the hornbook.  Print them out, tab them for quick reference, and take the exam.

I also may try to get a good outline from someone else who took the class previously, and I'll try to check both my notes and the outline whenever I feel the need to look something up.  That depends on how confident I feel about my notes - some professors do screwy things that make it difficult to take good notes in their classes (no laptops allowed, giving out preprinted copies of their lecture notes that turn out to be more questions than answers, crap like that).

Your mileage may vary.  But my advice is to do what works for you, and don't get caught up in the need to do what everyone else does if it's not the way that you learn effectively.  By now you should have a good idea of what works for you.  Don't abandon that completely because of what the people around you are doing.


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It's been my experience that once you get past 1L hell, most of the hide-the-ball nonsense goes away.  Even when the profs use the Socratic method, it's done in such a way that you understand what the correct answer is at the end of it.  It's not nearly so annoying that way.

I wonder if other people people have noticed the same thing.

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Yes, you need a laptop.  It doesn't have to be particularly nice.  Something basic that will get you online (to get emails, course materials, Lexis/Westlaw) and a copy of MS word (or something that can read/write MS word format files) is all you need, but you do need it.

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That said, for the 0Ls, figure out the way you can learn and understand the different material best, and then try to sync that up with the way each of your profs teach.

I may be repeating myself, but one thing I've found is that you already know how to study.  If you got this far, then you probably already know the way that works best for you.  Don't feel pressured to study the "law school way" if that's totally different than what's been successful for you in the past*.  My first year I did outlines, study groups, the whole nine yards, and it just didn't work for me.  This year I abandoned all that stuff and just studied the way I've always studied and it was much more effective.

(* - Unless, of course, your strategy in the past has been to memorize and regurgitate - that won't be very helpful when you're faced with the typical law school exam.)

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If it would make me enough bank to pay off my loans, I'd be willing to get them tattooed on my ass.

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Holy crap, I'd completely forgotten that PLSII recommended getting and reading the Restatements.  Most "prepping" IMHO is a colossal waste of time, but reading the Restatements is beyond a waste of time.  It's utterly ridiculous.

If you simply must read something to prep, stick to the E&E's.  Better yet, do something useful with yourself.  Go to court and watch some trials.  Find a lawyer and ask if you can tag along if they're going to be doing something interesting.  With all the reading you're going to do during the year, I assure you that you'll barely remember anything you read before school started.  It certainly won't help you on the exam.


If you didn't prep, you don't know if it works or not. Granted I am a 0L, but the arguments for and against prepping are about equal, probably slightly favoring prep.

How is getting the Restatements utterly ridiculous? They list the elements of BLL and provide a ton of hypos. Both are critical to good grades from all accounts. Now, if you don't want to buy it you can just use it at the library for free, which would eliminate the high cost of purchasing them. Also, PLS mentions the restatements as a 'recommended' and not a 'must get'.

I believe we had this discussion in your last incarnation.  Once again, I know a few people who did prep, and as far as I can tell it didn't help them at all.  But of course since you are a 0L, you know all the answers, so I'll not bother trying to convince you otherwise.

When you get to law school, you will find out that there is no such thing as "the BLL".  There's your professor's version of black letter law.  In most respects it will match what you will find in the supplements.  But there will be stuff that your prof will totally skip (in my Contracts class we never learned anything about the UCC - those of you who already had K's will realize how utterly bizarre that is!) and other stuff that he will teach that simply isn't in the E&E's or the Restatements or anything else.  That's what you need to know.  Not "the BLL".

Anyway, whatever - you'll learn.  Probably the hard way would be my guess, but who knows.  There's a large element of randomness to it anyway.

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