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Do ya'll just reference the intial setup while drawing a new diagram for each question or do you do all the work on the initial setup? Anyone want to comment on princeton review's strategies? Thx

Always always always draw a new digram next to the question.  It will take just a few seconds to copy your master set-up.  Because:

1) Confusion:  You don't want to get confused and apply conditionals from one question to another (eg question 3's "If Bob goes first, then...." with thinking B always goes first).

2) Reusing your work: Sometimes you can use the same diagram for one conditional/question for a later question (eg when you have a question like "which of the following CANNOT sing third?" you can look back at your previous sketches to elminate some answers.

As for the OP's question about timing, when I taught, we said you want to spend about 3-4 min on setup and 4-5 min on the questions (about 8 min total).

When you are taking 5 min for a setup, are you spending all that time sketching and making inferences? Or do you spend a min or so wondering if you have made them all and realizing you haven't?  If it's the first, more practice will help with that, you'll start making them faster. 

If it's the seoond, then what you should do is come up with a system of making sure you get all types of deductions.. Go thru, check all the duplications, when one entity is in more than one rule, then where you have a set placement (Charles always goes fourth (so put C in the forth slot on your master sketch)) or a set group (Bob performs before Adam (B...A), There is one performance between Ed and Charles (E_C or C_E), or Adam performs three acts after Charles (A _ _ C)).

Then you've got a system that you will get very comfortable with, and you'll start making deductions faster (and see that there are a limited set of deduction types that you see over and over), and boost your confidence so you don't spend time dithering and not moving forward on a game. 

Good Luck!

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Law School Applications / Re: Still Waiting on UCLA- give up?
« on: January 27, 2006, 01:40:42 PM »
I just got an acceptance email from them today. I applied mid December, sent in my cert. form and check a week after that (around the 20th of Dec).  Took them a month to cash the check.

I'm a splitter of the high LSAT flavor.

I'd say it's too early to tell either way. 

Good Luck!

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Law School Applications / Re: TStock, HLS, and Academia
« on: January 25, 2006, 01:42:02 PM »
Students seeking to discuss the stressful law school admission process with other students over the Internet should not be forced to choose between remaining silent and resigning themselves to the fact that anything they say can be used against them.

I'm not really sure what there is to worry about. Don't say things in public forums where you can be easily identified that you wouldn't say in any other such situation. If you were in a coffee shop with a friend where Toby Stock was known to frequent, would you carelessly say how annoyed you are at Harvard for not jumping to admit you because of your spectacular credentials? If not, why would you post something like that on a public discussion forum where Toby Stock is known to frequent?

Yep, there are a lot of specific questions that I'd love to ask, or even just stress out about with some fellow applicants.  However, I am pretty sure that my true identifiers (LSAT, GPA-range, and soft factors) would probably out me right away.  Regardless of if someone is deliberately looking for me or not.  

I think it's dangerous to think that the internet is an anonymous place anymore, particularly on such a targeted message board. It  might seem like there are a lot of us, since spots at the top schools are so coveted, but in reality, there aren't.  

As far as Mr. Stock's Blog? He just said "more transparent".  That doesn't mean he's going to post a check list of what he's looking for and an arcane formula for calculating admissions.  It means he's giving us a little insight into his day to day thoughts, as well as highlighting opportunities at Harvard (e.g. the Petrie-Flom Center, or the Academic Fellowship Program).  

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Denials / Re: Disillusioned Parents
« on: January 14, 2006, 11:59:19 AM »
Me: "Dad, good news! I got in to Georgetown"
Dad: "Oh, is that supposed to be good news? Did you get any money?"

Yeesh, he's not happy with the law school thing, yet has no problem telling his friends my LSAT score and that I'm going to Harvard or some school like that.  (Way to jinx it dad, thanks!)


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Is this for the current cycle?  If so, you need to get your app into U of Washington ASAP, I think their deadline is Jan 15th.

And if you haven't already, might as well make the GULC (and GW if you can) app for both FT and PT.

I'm a splitter, but with a higher GPA and LSAT, and my grad degree makes things very unpredictable.  Plus, I have only heard back from GULC (a yes). 

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Acceptances / Re: Georgetown
« on: January 13, 2006, 05:00:15 PM »
Just got the yes. First one of the cycle.

Has Georgetown mentioned money/scholarships to anyone? It didn't seem that way skimming the thread?  (Not that I feel like I should be too greedy, but paying for law school is starting to look scarier and scarier)

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How much reading do you do on a regular (non LSAT) basis? Just picking up something like The Economist or the Wall Street Journal and reading a few pages/articles daily will really help.

Also, try reading actively. Circle and underline keywords, sometimes jot down important points.  It might seem stupid, but I've noticed it helps a lot of my students focus. 

When are you taking the LSAT?

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First thing I'd say is analyze why you got the score you did. After teaching LSATs for a while, I'd look at two things.

Did you run out of time?  Maybe get through 2/3 of each section, and the questions you did get to you (mostly) got right?

Or, did you get through every question and have problems over all or with a particular type of question.

If it's mostly a timing issue, a lot of drills and practice on your own could bring about your desired score increase.  If it's a concept issue, you need to understand how to answer questions correctly before you work on timing and full practice tests.  Taking 20 LSATs in a row won't really help if you keep missing they same type of questions.

So, based on that, I have a few recommendations.

Go to a Kaplan Center and take one of their free LSAT practice tests.  These are real tests. Kaplan used to use fake questions, but a few years ago switched over to actual questions. This will approximate the testing conditions more realistically (someone else timing you, other people in the room, scantron bubbling). And they will give you a breakdown of what your problem areas are.

If you have the discipline to study on your own, you could.  Get the bibles, tackle the questions by question type (i.e. inference questions, sequencing games), while taking real LSATs on a weekly basis.  Making sure you go over ever wrong answer and every guess you made, even if it was correct. Heck, even going over correct answers is a good thing, just to make sure you were thinking correctly.

If not, a class is a good thing, esp. with a family.  You'll have to set some ground rules (find someone to watch the kids when you're in class, set aside a few hours a week at least to do the homework).  

A few more general suggestions:

Work first on question type. Drill through a few (at least) of a particular weak area without time constraints, then limit yourself to 2 min per LR or 8-9 min per game/passage

Take sections timed, get as far as you can in the allotted time, then mark where you stopped and continue on, just to get practice and see how long it takes. Then go back and grade the section.  

Keep in mind you have 8m 45 s for each RC passage and game, and about 1m 45s for each LR question.  But with the LG and RC, start with a game/passage you find easier, this will give you more time for a harder game/passage.  With LR, don't waste 5m on one question, if you don't get it, circle it and move on, come back after you've finished the section.  Questions arenít in order of difficulty.   Just keep your bubbling correct, usually bubbling after each page/game/passage

As for classes, Kaplan gets a lot of flack on this board, and I have taught for them.  Yes, there are some problems, BUT, as with any course, it is imperative that you do the homework.  You arenít going to improve your score just by sitting in class and following along in your lesson book.  



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Re-applying in Adcom's eyes
« on: December 15, 2005, 11:01:31 AM »
Also, why bother wasting the application fees? Maybe put in an app to a top choice school that is generous with students deferring their matriculation.  But other than that, it seems like a waste of time and money, and could hurt you if you don't have a substantially stronger application next time around. 

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Non-trad social life
« on: December 07, 2005, 05:38:44 PM »
Not really looking at dating any of my fellow students.  I avoided that in grad school the first time around just because of the gossip factor.

I think I'm going to have to make sure I try to develop a social circle outside of law school.  In grad school all of my friends were fellow grad students, and that got a bit limiting after awhil e.  Luckily I have friends in most of the areas I'm applying.


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