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Current Law Students / State clerkship
« on: May 05, 2008, 11:13:58 AM »
I'm going to T4 in NC, and I'm interested in state trial court clerkships.  I know.  less prestige, less money, I won't bore you with my motivations.  Just suffice it to say, that's what I want.

But...NC trial courts do not use clerks.  does anyone know about clerking in a state trial court outside of your law school's state?  is it common?  Particular difficulties?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: May 03, 2008, 07:27:19 AM »
hat is the smartest post I have read about nccu that was a brutally honest answer to career options and if people are ok with that then it might be a decent choice if you can't get in anywhere else because it is so cheap

It's not that I "couldn't get in anywhere else", my LSAT was at the 75%, but cost was a huge factor.  Like many at NCCU I'm an older student.  I have a wife and baby.  my numbers would not have made me a competitve applicant at Duke, and only marginally so at Carolina.  Otherwise, I'm not dragging my fam accross the country to a low T2 that I got in at to have job prospects not any better than I'd have at NCCU, given the fact that I very much want to live/work somewhere along the Charlotte-Grboro-RaleighDurham corridor.

I did research, and I agree completely with YBR that if you choose NCCU or for that matter any T3/4, do your research carefully and know what you're getting in to, and know how much you really want to be a lawyer.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: May 03, 2008, 07:10:13 AM »
^ well said overall

I think JusBlazin is just confident and excited for the fall.  I won't knock him for that.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: May 02, 2008, 07:23:26 PM »
Upthread, YBR said this :I'm not hostile to NCCU; it is what it is.  It's a good choice for some people.  As I said in my posts upthread, if you work hard and do well you will probably work for a small firm or find a government/public interest job.

Now, YBR says this:  People usually don't tell you to your face that they think your school sucks.

I've done all I can to bring civility and rationality to this thread.

NCCU grad's prospects are commensurate with similar T3/4 schools.  only a handfull of grads in any given class will land high 5 figure gigs with midsize firms. Likewise, there will be between 1/5 to 1/10 or so grads still looking for work 9 mos post grad

by contrast, there are notable accolades: the # 1 rated best value in legal education by National Jurist and Prelaw Magazine

Mediation and Client Counseling competition awards

and, as mentioned earlier, NC governor Mike Easley is an NCCU Law graduate

but, I'm thick skinned, and I know (as I've said over and over) NCCU is a T4.  I can handle the criticism of my choice of school.

But why, when it was pointed out that NCCU places a few grads at NLJ250 firms in any given year, did YBR turn the issue to race?


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: May 02, 2008, 05:57:19 AM »
NCCU should not even be mentioned in the same breath as the research triangle schools.

thank you, how very condescending of you.  have you ever been to Ral-Dur?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: May 01, 2008, 10:09:24 AM »

look, I'm new here, so I don't know why YBR wants to be argumentative to the point of hostility toward NCCU.  But don't sweat it.

Here's what we know: NCCU is a T4 local/regional school, and if you want to go there you should know that there are a lot of quality law schools in the area, and you're going to have to work very hard, network, and generally be vigilant from day 1 to try and get that job landed.  And even then, keep those fingers crossed.

I know students at NCCU Law.  It's part of the reason I felt comfortable going there over other schools I got into.  It's not the nightmare that YBR implies, but you will have to work hard and hope for good things.  My wife's good friend is a 3L/recent grad who already has her job lined up at the Orange co. PD's office.  She interned at local courts, went on lots of interviews, networked with alumni (NCCU has lots of grads in the NC court system) and things worked out.  I know particular examples like these are anecdotal, but it's only to demonstrate that it can be done.

I chose NCCU over Campbell. Is Campbell a better law school?  Maybe, probably, I don't know, but the difference would be marginal anyway from my investigation.  Cost definitely tilted me toward NCCU.

I agree it's very dissapointing that NCCU's website is not more interactive, and they do not report career stats to US NEWS.  But call/email Lisa Morgan, the assistant dean for Career Services at NCCU, she's very friendly, and she'll give you the scoop.  here's the link for contact info

I really do not know why I'm having to say this stuff over and over again.  If you look back at my posts in this thread, they are essentially the same.

Maybe YBR wants to patronize schools like NCCU and those who want to go there.  I think probably he/she justs wants to "win" the argument, and that's fine.  Call Lisa, also Harry Anderson (the Day Program recruiter-follow the links).  they are very affable and won't hide things from you.

call Campbell, Elon, and whoever.  just do your own research and make the best choice for you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What's the Deal With Valparaiso?
« on: April 30, 2008, 04:39:25 PM »
What's the deal With Valparaiso?  Why is it only a T4?  It's been around for 129 years and hasn't been able to clean up its act?  Has pretty good bar passage rates and employment rate is ok.  Anyone have any real thoughts about this.  Thanks.

US news rankings rely heavily on some subjective criteria. just because they stamp T4 doesn't mean they got it right.

just a thought.  I really have no idea 'bout valpo

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: April 30, 2008, 04:17:22 PM »
point taken on the Elon internships, but Elon's small class size and the distnction of markets between G'boro-WS and Ral-Dur should mitigate the impact of competition

the Duke career #'s in your link seem to jive with US News's % numbers

and I just see 4/5 employment #'s as pretty good considering what we've been discussing on this thread, the competition noted, and NCCU's very low cost

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: April 30, 2008, 02:54:12 PM »
OK, a lot of bad information on this thread.

North Carolina is the third most popular destination for Duke grads after only NY and D.C.  So they do not all leave.

87% of Duke grads do not work in NC (2009 US NewsTop law school)  My saying: they all leave = exagerating to state a point.  NCCU grads and Duke grads will NOT be competing for the same jobs.  whose got the bad info on that?

Look, I'm not hyping NCCU.  It is what it is.  Just like the poster above noted he's middle of his class at Carolina Law and doesn't exactly have law firms knocking down his door.

their are lots of law schools everywhere, lots of grads, and lots of of competition for jobs, NCCU = opportunities for PI/Legal Aid, government, small-mid law.  That's what I've said all along.  Nobody is saying NCCU Law equals 180K plus signing bonus at NYC firms, SC appt, Harvard Law professorships, and Nirvana with 21 virgins.  But hey, 4 out of 5 of your classmates will have jobs 9 months post grad

as far as Charlotte and Elon, as you pointed out, they're not even accredited yet!  Elon's a cool undergrad, so i guess they'll have a good law school, but we'll cross that bridge later.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina Central vs Duke
« on: April 30, 2008, 01:35:41 PM »
pardon the overused analogy but "comparing" Duke and NCCU is comparing apples and oranges.  I'm not picking on NCCU (I'm going there in the fall!) but it's just different.

Here's a better analogy: it's like asking, "is college basketball (NCCU) better than the NBA (Duke)?"  they're different levels, and geared toward different missions.  I happen to like college ball alot more ;)

NCCU is not just PI oriented, it's really oriented to the local community.  It's very local and NC biased.  It's an HBC in a predominanty minority community (although white students make up the largest ethnic group in the law school) , and that's the niche.  The tuition is ridiculously cheap, and the LSAT's are going to remain low as NCCU yield protects against the many "prestigious" schools close by.

Duke is Duke.  It's the "Harvard of the South", and they relish it.  It is geared toward national and international prominence.  These are kids with 167+/3.7 and they're gunning for DC and NYC, BigLaw, clerkships and the hard-to-get PI.  These kids are going to pass NC bars, NY bars, and all kinds of bars, because Duke seeks the people with the horsepower upstairs. 

that's just not NCCU's mission.  It's not good or bad, like it or not, it's just different

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