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General Board / Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
« on: December 10, 2008, 01:05:48 PM »
You don't see ham. You see gelato.

SEE?  i'm not the only one who thinks it's cold cuts.

I thought so too :P

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General Board / Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
« on: December 10, 2008, 12:02:21 PM »
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

Come on, I'm an 0L and even I know these jobs are basically non-existent for grads straight out of law school.

And you know this based on what? Nobody on this board really talks about non-biglaw jobs very often.

Gosh, you are a rude little pill, aren't you.

"Says who?" "Oh yeah?" "Make me!" "So's yer mom!"

There's a polite way to ask for clarification, or what else a person knows about the subject. This is not even close.

I agree.  You  come here asking a question and then dismiss everyone.  Maybe it's just not what you want to hear.

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General Board / Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
« on: December 10, 2008, 12:49:02 AM »
One thing I know is that I don't want Biglaw. I probably want to work a mid-sized firm between 10-50 attorneys with reasonable hours. $60-80k starting pay. I attend a mid T-1. Given that, do my grades really matter that much?

yes.  stop whining and go study.

and u base this on....

there's a lot of information on this very subject in this thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80098.0.html

hahahahaha  :D :D :D

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General Board / Re: If I don't want Biglaw, do my grades matter.
« on: December 10, 2008, 12:43:46 AM »
The first thing ANY employer, biglaw or non biglaw will look at is grades.  Biglaw just happens to be more stuck up open about it and I'm pretty sure they have cut offs unless you really know someone or something amazing happens.  "Regular" law firms will look to that first thing on your resume.  Even public interest is competitive.  Hell, any legal jobs for attorneys are competitive, and even moreso in this economy.  Grades matter anywhere. 

I would say the sort of clear area you can possibly escape from this is if you do public interest and show a clear dedication to "the cause".  If you want to be a domestic violence advocate, for example, showing you've been working in a clinic for three years, is going to be more impressive than your grades.  If it's you vs. someone with better grades, they'll take you because they know you're committed to the cause.  That being said, they would also like you to have good grades.  I know the public defenders program is also less picky when it comes to grades, because, again they would value commitment over grades.

They always matter, just the more "high ranking" or competitive a job you're seeking, the more important they become.  There are always ways to overcome grades, or at least can mitigate them - good interview skills, experience, networking, extracurriculars (if you founded something or did something impressive, not just being in them).

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 1L Work Load @ T14 vs. 25-75
« on: December 06, 2008, 09:56:55 PM »
Quote
<-- too many practice tests in one week.  I feel like I haven't stopped typing arguments and counter-arguments since last Saturday.  Even when I talk to people, I'm tempted to say things like:

"You could argue that we would go to Subway.  Subway is three blocks away, and we place a premium on efficiency.  Also, Subway traditionally has the $5 footlong, and that's likely to be tempting for us as the plaintiff -- I mean, law students.  (Subway v. Law Students).

Conversely, Subway is traditionally not very nutrient-heavy because the defendant gets the Philly Steak Sandwich that is totally overpriced at $7.50.  Plaintiff could make a valid counter-argument that they will not buy anything beyond the $5 footlong, but the court is unlikely to recognize this precedent."

A word of advice. Don't get too hung up with arguing both sides of a case on exams. It can be importaint to show you understand where there is ambiguity, but if you are not careful it can actually obscure your showing understanding of an issue.

Could you please elaborate?  Periodically, I sum something up in a sentence when it's obvious (e.g., the statute of limitations is fine because she filed the case within a year), but, usually, I argue both sides when I get to an issue.

 my professors told me specifically what to do on their exams so listen to your professor above all.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 1L Work Load @ T14 vs. 25-75
« on: December 06, 2008, 09:50:36 PM »
I'm at GW and :
first semester - civpro1 (3 cr), contracts1 (3 cr), torts (4 cr), and crim (3 cr) + lrw (2 cr).
second semester - civpro2 (3 cr), contracts 2 (3cr), property (4 cr), conlaw (3 cr) + advocacy (2 cr)

this is the first year lrw is graded at GW and it's awful.

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General Board / Re: hardest first year class? vote here
« on: December 04, 2008, 11:05:26 PM »
the hardest profs teach the 1L's.  it's a form of hazing.

this guy is special.  if you want more details, facebook PM it.

hmm... turley?

no I hear turley is awesome.  I want to take a class with him.  He's always on the Rachel maddow show

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General Board / Re: hardest first year class? vote here
« on: December 03, 2008, 11:03:23 PM »
Oh okay well that's not what you said.

relax.  no one else prefaced their answers.

*hands chill pill*

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General Board / Re: hardest first year class? vote here
« on: December 03, 2008, 11:00:35 PM »
Oh, well you said yours as if it were an absolute so I wanted to so it too.


it's not "crim" or "torts"

it's... "torts w/ prof x" or "crim w/ prof y"

i just dont even find them comparable. totally depends on the professor.

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General Board / Re: hardest first year class? vote here
« on: December 03, 2008, 10:41:26 PM »
the hardest profs teach the 1L's.  it's a form of hazing.

this guy is special.  if you want more details, facebook PM it.

will do later.  ;)

take it easy tonight okay?  gotta rest up the brain before starting the next round.

oh don't worry, papercranes is taking me to mexico tonight.

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