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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Women: Buying a suit and dressing for your job....
« on: July 18, 2008, 08:35:12 PM »
Anyone shop at Loehmann's?  They had an awesome suit sale some time back.  Unfortunately, I couldn't take them up on it, but I look forward to this year's!  BTW, as a 1L this year, it seems I won't be needing a suit until like Feb, right?  If that...

Current Law Students / Re: moms and dads in law school
« on: July 18, 2008, 06:14:32 PM »
I agree that law school will probably be more demanding than a full-time job!  I just wanted to know how other parents are approaching it.  It seems that everyone agrees that organization and time management are of the essence...

My situation is a bit different in the sense that my husband has a very flexible schedule (restaurant biz).  So, in the event of sick kid he can be there for the daytime and I can come straight home from class before he has to go in at night.  This is great, IMO, but it makes the decision between daycare and at-home-sitter more difficult.  I was thinking I would get a sitter for three hours in the afternoon three days a week, just to give myself more time for studying, but i would like for him to have some interaction with other children...

Does anyone have any thoughts on daycare vs. sitter? Besides the cost difference, I mean.

Thanks for not letting this thread die!  I agree that we should KIT and lend moral support over the coming semesters/years/whatevs.

Current Law Students / Re: moms and dads in law school
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:07:16 PM »
Thanks to both of you! oConner- your friend rocks!  jacy- i will.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: My take on the first year of law school
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:05:00 PM »
Until recently, I really enjoyed this thread because the information shared was extremely relevant to the majority of 0L’s concerns, which, to me, essentially deal with how we can maximize our potential as a first year law student.  The thread started out on a good note with the UVA_2L sharing what worked for him with the added credibility of good grades at a good school to back it up.  His story, like most information shared on a discussion board, was anecdotal and therefore subject to criticism by others who didn’t study in the exact same way.  Most of those posts were interesting to me as well since I want to learn as many ideas about studying as possible so as to develop my own strategic approach to law school. 

However, The TexasLawGuy’s “Intellectual Determinism Post” tainted the usefulness of this thread when he claimed,

“Please don't waste your money on a ton of crap to try and do well in law school. Just show up, be diligent, be social, and keep your head on straight. If you've naturally got what it takes, you will be at the top of your class. If you don't, you will still end up doing just fine.” 

There were a few posts in rebuttal, but they were neither strong enough nor numerous enough.

The main problem I have with this post is not so much about whether he is right or wrong--though I do think he‘s wrong.   Instead, I believe thinking in this way provides zero benefits for 0Ls. To think that we will all “naturally” end up in a certain place in class regardless of how much we work is completely at odds with everyday experience.  We clearly can’t all end up in the top of our class, but I don’t think that is the ultimate goal of most 0Ls anyway. 

Like I said before, the goal is maximizing our potential.  I’ll never be able to run a four minute mile, but does that mean I can never get faster?  I’ll never bench press 600lbs, does that mean I’ll never get stronger?  Or maybe more relevantly, I can’t score a 180 on the LSAT, so I might as well “show up” and give a “diligent” effort when test day comes? The analogies are endless, but all are illustrative of the fact that what we do and how we do it IS important to the outcomes we receive.  Studying the law is no exception.

I can see why determinism can be seductive since two people, or two hundred, can work there butt off on the same task, (law school) and achieve very different outcomes.  I realize we each have limitations.  But rarely do we ever know what those limitations truly are.  Only working to improve our performance will ever bring those limitations to light.  To me, working to perform well in law school means developing a strategic approach based on my own skills and weaknesses.  Believing that we have somehow already reached our potential without testing the waters, provides no benefit for anyone.

For the most part, I agree. I definitely think that deterministic thoughts pre-law school are deadly.  How do any of us know that we are "naturally" capable of top 5% if we haven't even had a class yet?  But, I think TX-feminine hygiene product guy has a small point: stop trying to figure out your own strategy by what has worked for others (which you certainly alluded to). this statement is not meant to suggest that listening to others' advice is bad, but just a starting point.

Also, maybe there is some kind of natural ability that comes into play, but thinking you have it as a 0L can only be disastrous.  Those are the same feminine hygiene products that end up at the bottom of the class, cause they just 'knew' they 'got it.'   

Moral of this whole drawn out thread could possibly be: stop reading this board, get a life, do the readings, eat well, rest plenty, maybe even exercise, and NEVER go on a discussion board talking about how you just have "it".
After all, we all have "it"; it's called poo.

Current Law Students / Re: moms and dads in law school
« on: July 17, 2008, 06:16:30 PM »
Thanks for the encouragement! I love being a mom; it's challenging but fulfilling, to say the least! 

You are right about the childcare thing.  I am kind of in a bind right now trying to petition for a budget increase from FA so that I can put my little one in daycare at the school.  Luckily, he has been offered a spot (after being waitlisted), so at least there's that! All in all, i think you are right about the time management.  I especially liked your comment about keeping your personal life separate and not using your children as excuses.  It seems that those are the main reasons non-parents get sick of classmates with kids.  At least that's how I felt as an undergrad without children.

Hope to hear from other 'rents...   

Current Law Students / moms and dads in law school
« on: July 17, 2008, 02:22:11 PM »
Hello all:

I am an entering full-time 1L and have a toddler.  I just wanted to get some feedback from other parents who have either gone through a year or more of l.s., or are starting up like me.

Are you treating school like a full-time job, i.e. 9-5 kinda thing?  Or, are you going part-time?  Do you feel like your family obligations put you at a disadvantage?

For those of you starting, have you taken any precautionary steps before school starts, who is watching your child(ren), etc?

Hope this thread can help others like me who feel a little anxious about juggling two huge responsibilities!


Current Law Students / Re: Advice for prospective law student
« on: July 17, 2008, 05:23:25 AM »
I think it would be very wise to defer your acceptance to UC Davis (if the option is available), work for a year and re-evaluate your situation next summer. Aside from the obvious benefits (income and resume booster) there are other benefits to taking a year off. First, you might realize that a career in investments is perfect for you, thus eliminating the time and expense of law school. On the other hand, if you absolutely hate what you're doing, at least you'll be able to say to yourself that you gave an alternative career a shot. Secondly, from my experience, the students who take time off from law school tend to perform better academically since they treated school as a full-time job as opposed to merely an extension of undergrad. And for what it's worth, I had a partner for a mid-sized firm tell me specifically that he prefers to hire candidates who have some work experience for summer associate positions over others who have little to no meaningful work experience.

Taking a year off in between law school and undergrad was easily one of the best decisions I've ever made. You do quite a bit of "growing up" when you're thrust into a position of responsibility after spending your college days partying. I took a job working for a large international company thinking that a career in the business world would be something I was interested in. I soon realized that the corporate world wasn't for me, and this made my interest in practicing law even stronger. And from a financial standpoint, I was able to save up enough money that year to fully furnish my apartment and cover my insurance payments for my first year of law school...and have some fun in the process.

If the deferment option is available to you, you've got nothing to lose by taking a year off and re-evaluating your position next summer.

This is sound advice, IMO.  I start law school this fall, so I don't know if I will actually par any better than others, but I DO KNOW that after working in the corporate world (commercial real estate) for a while, I was better prepared to take the plunge back into school.  I don't have your financial problems, so I can't sympathize entirely, but taking a year deferment (if it is an option) is a good way to see how well you like the position you have been offered while also figuring out if you can make it financially on $60K/yr in SF.

Even in Atlanta, it would be hard to live too good of a life with that kind of annual while also paying back significant loans from undergrad.  Oh, and definitely ask about the loans!!!

And in the end you may be a slave to BIGLAW, but that could be only a year or two and you would be able to pay down that debt load uber-fast.  Think $160K+/yr = $100K of disposable income to pay down debt versus $60K/yr of maybe $10K to throw towards debt!!! You do the math.

Current Law Students / Re: Any Soo- to-be Lawyers with Ink?
« on: July 15, 2008, 08:22:59 PM »
would've got back sooner, but i was too busy double fisting my frappo-latte and vodka tonic to notice that i was ONCE AGAIN being victimized!?!?!?!  to quote some fabulous person on this thread earlier, "BWWWAHAHAHAHA."  by the way NoUsername, let me just point out the fact that i agreed with the statements about visible tattoos in the workplace being unprofessional.  what i did not do was throw a victim card and blame anyone else for judging we tatted ones- actually i made a value judgment about those nimrods' value judgments, so i guess i must be a victimizing bastard myself.

people with tats know, more than you think i'm sure, how easily we can be judged as "drunken, immoral, scathes of society" (to roughly quote your earlier statement. maybe too roughly?)  to assume that we feel, or claim, to be victims of a choice that, as you said, we knowingly made for our own personal enjoyment/sentimentality/lack of character, whatever, based on our disapproval of other people's dated world views is ridiculous.  i'm sure there are ignorant people out there who were truly unaware of the societal repercussions, but i doubt seriously that you will find any of those tattoed, whining pansies on this board.

Current Law Students / Re: Any Soo- to-be Lawyers with Ink?
« on: July 14, 2008, 05:50:31 PM »
I am a woman with tats and agree that in a prof environment it is risky to show them.  This includes bbqs, picnics, and the like.  However, if you are in a firm where you think others will judge you for having them if they are visible in these settings, then that is distasteful closed-mindedness they should be ashamed of.  Nonetheless, I'm not too sure I would want to risk being ostracized by my colleagues.

Will I put on a skirt and hose/stockings/tights/WTF-ever KNOWINGLY due to a judge's bias?  Probably not, but I wear skirts anyway. 

If you never want to be in a courtroom, fine, but I think that it takes some conformity to openly and knowingly choose a profession in such a conservative field anyway, so I don't see the problem with sacrificing your own personal world view for the sake of a client.  I'm not in school yet, but isn't this part of advocacy in general- i.e. putting ones own PERSONAL views in the background to do what's best for your clients' needs and wants (of course within ethical allowance)?!?!

Current Law Students / Re: Here's the dealio
« on: July 07, 2008, 07:01:52 PM »

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