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Studying for the LSAT / Re: People PTing in the 170 - 175 range
« on: August 04, 2008, 09:32:53 PM »
Additional RC strategies:
  • Push through the passage. Don't allow yourself to get caught reading and re-reading.
  • Keep a clear head and positive attitude to your approach. Getting frustrated/getting bored/zoning out is what the test makers WANT you to do. The material is intentionally dry and technical so that many readers lose focus. Don't allow yourself to fall into that trap.
  • Don't be so afraid to skip a difficult question. Keep moving forward. Narrow the answer choices down to 2, circle one, move on. Come back later. Perhaps the fresh perspective will quickly lead you to the correct answer. If not, a 50/50 shot at a tough problem is ok, especially if it gives you sufficient time to attack 2 or 3 easier problems that you may not have gotten to if you remained stuck.

See: The Best LSAT Reading Comprehension Strategies

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Approximate Time For Each LSAT Sections?
« on: August 04, 2008, 09:20:44 PM »
Hi, it's a newbie question. On average should we spend

RC = 1.5 mins per question

LR = 1.2 mins per question

LG = 8 minutes per game?

My strategy was:

RC: 3 minutes to read each passage and approximately 45 seconds per question... +bubbling time. If one passage has 5 questions and another has 8 questions, attack the 8 question passage first and take a bit more time. It takes 3 minutes to read nearly any passage, regardless of the number of questions associated with it. Spend this time wisely by attacking passages with 7/8 questions first.

LR: approximately 1 minute and 20 seconds per question... +bubbling time. I generally tried to move through the first 10-12 questions in around 1 minute per question. These questions are often the easiest, and if you can complete them under time then you will set yourself up with additional time to complete the more difficult questions in the later half of the section.

LG: 8 minutes and 45 seconds per game, including bubbling time. Slightly more for difficult games & slightly less for easier games. Game 1 is generally not going to be particularly difficult. ATTACK IT... finish in 7 minutes. You don't want to get in the mindset of "oh, I've got 8 minutes and 45 seconds per game, so I can take my time on this basic linear game and triple-check my answers even though in 99% sure I'm correct." Learn to recognize and CRUSH easy games in under 8 minutes if possible. If you can do this, then you will be able to use that extra time when you come across a more challenging LG.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Answer sheet in actual test booklet
« on: August 04, 2008, 09:00:51 PM »
I'd recommend against bubbling after each question... unless you are finding that you are making bubbling mistakes. Bubbling after each question is more time consuming, and also tends to break the intense concentration required by the LSAT.

My bubbling strategy went something like this:

RC, bubble after each passage
LG, bubble after each game
LR, bubble prior to turning the page, OR bubble if you run across a particularly difficult/frustrating problem and you need a few seconds to gather yourself prior to moving to the next question.

In short... bubble in your answers at logical breaks in concentration, and use that time to prepare yourself to "switch gears" and attack the next question/passage/game.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: People PTing in the 170 - 175 range
« on: August 04, 2008, 08:21:46 PM »
You talk about not neglecting the RC section. That is the section I am trying to see the most improvement on. Do you have some suggestions on what I might look at to prep for this section? I took Kaplan's class, but they didn't really help me in that area. So I am taking September off from work to study for the test in October.

Any advice would be helpful.

As far as improving your LSAT RC goes...

It is important to have a general understanding about certain things that you can expect to see on the questions: Main point, organization, author's attitude & purpose, paragraph function, etc.

In addition, be aware of:
-shifts in point of view ("Despite," "however," "nevertheless," "on the other hand," "on the contrary," "proponents claim...," "critics claim...", etc.) [be sure to know which point of view the author subscribes to]
-lists ("first... second... third...", "one such... another...")

It is less important to know specific details (scientific nomenclature, definitions, etc.). It is, however, important to know WHERE these unfamiliar terms are so that you can quickly refer to them when you see a question regarding them.

Granted, it is always great if you can quickly read a passage and fully comprehend every detail... it simply isn't always possible to do so. If you cannot, then try and get the gist of the passage and move on to the questions without wasting too much time reading and re-reading. It is easy to refer back to the passage to answer questions on specific points, as long as you understand it well enough to know where to quickly find the

Personally, I usually feel like I've read a passage properly if I read it in 3:00 (+/- :30), and can easily answer the main point question.

After reading through hundreds of passages, you develop an intuitive sense of where the questions are likely to come from. Pay attention to developing that sense, and learn to anticipate what will be asked of you (but DON'T read the questions before reading the passage).

See: How to Improve Your LSAT Reading Comprehension Score

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is There An Online Timer For LSAT Practice?
« on: August 04, 2008, 07:11:17 PM »
I'm terribly confused.  What is wrong with using a watch?  Ya know, those things you strap to your wrist that have a big hand and a little hand, the type of thing that is the only type of timer ur allowed to use on test day.  I mean really, have people forgotten how to tell time with a good old fashioned watch?  Has the world gone mad with tech crap?  I bet apple has the iWatch in the works, it will only cost you $200 and it reminds you when to cook, eat, sleep, poop, and shower.
If you get a digital timer make sure it is one that you can set to turn on your toaster at a specified time, that feature is pretty cool!

I believe timers are illegal on the real LSAT now anyway, so better get used to the watch.

Don't listen to these guys. They are obviously not prepping for the LSAT in the most effective way possible. A timer is a MUST HAVE when prepping for the LSAT.

Digital timers are, of course, not to be used on exam day. However, on test day, you will have a proctor who will call time with 35 minutes is up. In order to simulate this during your prep, you will absolutely want some form of timer that audibly notifies you when 35 minutes is up. I purchased a digital kitchen timer at my local grocery store for under $5.00. An online timer would work as well... but, for $5, I prefer the convenience and portability of a kitchen timer, which can be taken to the library/campus/coffee shop/etc. without lugging around a laptop.

In addition, you will want to use an  analog watch, which you will be able to use on exam day. I prefer a watch with a unidirectional countdown bezel, but setting your watch to 12:00 works just as well.

You will want to set your digital timer to 35:00, hit start, and turn the timer away from you. This way, you are not seeing the digital countdown, but you still get an audible notification when your time is up. Set your watch to 12:00 (or turn your unidirectional countdown bezel to where "0" meets the minute hand) as soon as you hit start on your digital timer. 

By prepping in the manner you will enjoy the dual benefit of an audible notification when time is up (simulating the proctor calling time), and learning to properly pace yourself with an analog watch. Don't cheat by turning the digital timer around, even if you forget to reset your watch.

I don't know if there's a thread, but FWIW: I took the June test at Northwestern Law and had a great experience.  The Kaplan test rater ( is somewhat misleading because some of the reviews are for NU in Evanston, which is not so great.  But I'd definitely test at NU LS again.  If nothing else, it will give you an excuse to check out their campus, which is gorgeous.   ;D

Larua, I didn't know that you were in Chicago. My girlfriend and I live in Springfield and visit Chicago regularly. Next time we are up that way, we'll have to meet for a drink!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 161 -> ?
« on: August 03, 2008, 08:15:08 PM »
Also, stop pretending to be gangster by using words like "word", "my bad" and "aiiight"

Word Up G. Haven't seen you around for a while Tim, still prepping for the October exam?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 161 -> ?
« on: August 03, 2008, 08:12:48 PM »

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT PrepTests solution book?
« on: August 03, 2008, 07:43:46 PM »
That is sort of what I would've guessed on the basis of having read "Ace the LSAT logic games" by Get Prepped.

It is difficult to gauge if you will be able to prep for the LSAT in 8 weeks after taking only 1 untimed Prep Test.

I believe that it is possible to study for the LSAT in 2 months if you are a relatively fast learning, and are willing to dedicate yourself fully to LSAT prep. I didn't see an LSAT prep test until about 3.5 months before my test date, and I essentially took about 8 weeks off during those 3.5 months. But when I was prepping, I would eat, sleep, and breathe LSAT. I worked on LSAT material for 8-12 hours a day, 6-7 days a week. It is possible to make gains in the next 8 weeks, but you are going to need to make a serious commitment.

My recommendation would be to dedicate the next 4 weeks to LSAT prep, then reevaluate. Are you making progress? Are you sticking to your schedule?  Put in 4 weeks of hard work with the LSAT, then you will have a much better idea of whether or not you will be able to be fully prepared with 4 more hard weeks or prep.

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