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Studying for the LSAT / Re: OMG I got sick before the test.
« on: October 03, 2008, 03:49:06 PM »
what if you have stomach flu?

Take an antiemetic, an anti-motility, and crush the LSAT.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: OMG I got sick before the test.
« on: October 03, 2008, 01:39:37 PM »
You aren't sick. You are an LSAT machine. Machines can't get sick.

Don't allow yourself to even consider the possibility that being sick could affect your performance on the LSAT. Not now. Don't even consider that possibility until after the exam when you are deciding if you will keep or cancel your score.

 You will take the test tomorrow. You will nail it. You aren't sick. You will do great.

I was lucky enough to watch Tiger Woods 4th round play on June 15th, the day before my LSAT. (see: ) His knee was hurting so bad that he couldn't hit the ball without nearly collapsing in agony. Still, he never considered the possibility of quitting. He never considered the possibility of failure. He maintained focus throughout the round. Despite his injury. Despite the crowds of thousands. He maintained focus and pushed through the pain. There is something inspiring about excellence per se. Get inspired to CRUSH the LSAT tomorrow.

Meta Discussion / Re: How can I delete my profile? Who is the moderator?
« on: August 12, 2008, 08:41:08 PM »
I haven't found this forum helpful at all.

See my post here:,4013094.msg5151766.html#msg5151766

It is all a matter of filtering through the nonsense and ignoring the people who are only here to be negative. If you can do so, you will find a number of sincere people willing to provide legitimate advice.

Also, carefully worded and well-considered questions are more likely to generate carefully worded and well-considered responses.

You'll be ok. Don't get discouraged.

But... If you aren't being facetious, EarlCat is the moderator. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Somebody please define this for me.
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:37:23 PM »
I have noticed that as I go through PT's, a problem I am having is not understand some of the answer choices in the flaw questions.

What does it mean when the answer choice says "Presupposes what it sets out to prove" or "presupposes what it sets out to establish"

Also, I have learned to identify some key flaws based on the language used in the passage. I.e, if they say "john can only have 3 apples" I should look for something with an alternate possibility in the answer choice.

What type of signs should I be looking for  when these "presupposes what it sets out to establish" answers are the correct answers?

Thanks everyone,

See The Logical Reasoning Bible, Page 375 for a full and detailed description of this common "Circular Reasoning" flaw.

It seems like only the super gifted and lsat obsessed talk about their experiences on chat rooms. I got a 3.3 gpa from an average public state university.  I didnt have any time to practice for my lsats so I did what everyone tells you not to do and took the lsat with no preparation and scored a 150. If 50% of all students taking the lsat score below a 151 where are they? Do they just give up and not go to law school? Its almost impossible to find a descent law school with an lsat score below the mid 150s.  Everyone on these boards seems so elitist.  You know there are people out there that just want to get into a state school, graduate with minimal debt, and work for a small firm because they have an interest in law and not just the money.  Where are those people at?  For the record, I am taking the lsat again in October and I just started studying and I will probably only take two real practice tests and do about 2/3 hrs of studying a week.  I know it seems obsurd to most of you, but to those with jobs, school, and a social its simply reality.

Of course the LSAT-obsessed are the ones who spend time on a forum entitled "Studying for the LSAT." A person with only a casual interest in the LSAT would be unlikely to end up here at all, and certainly wouldn't spend the time required to integrate themselves into the community.

Furthermore, there is a significant causal relationship between studying and preparing for the LSAT and performing well on the LSAT. People who spend a great deal of time here probably do so because they spend a great deal of time prepping and studying for the LSAT, which significantly increases the chances that they will perform highly on test day. Perhaps it isn't because we are super-geniuses that we post on LSD, but rather, perhaps it is because we post on LSD that we are, in your estimation, super-geniuses. I don't think I could've gotten a 177 without all of the advice that I received on here.

You aspire for mediocrity and criticize me for wanting something more.
We all have jobs, school, and social lives or else we wouldn't be competitive law school applicants. Yet we still manage to fit LSAT prep into our schedule. You are no different than anyone else. Life is all about priorities, consider re-evaluating yours.
If your goal is to get into a state school and graduate with minimal debt, don't you think you should be working EVEN HARDER on your LSAT prep so that you might be eligible for scholarships?

Thanks for the solid advice. If you don't mind, could you explain what you did when reviewing sections on completed tests? I've been writing down question types that I consistently get wrong, but I'd like to be able to get to the point at which I can easily recognize the tricks consistently used by test makers, particularly in LR. I consistently finish LG w/ like 6-8 minutes left, so I mostly have to work on eliminating careless mistakes in the other two sections. You're right about the need to not neglect RC. I try not to, but it's so painfully boring that it's hard to force myself to review it. It's probably the easiest section, when I actually am able to pay attention to the passages.

When reviewing, ask yourself 2 questions:

1) What am I missing?
Are you missing specific question types? (eg. Must Be True/Assumption/Flaw/etc.)
Are you missing questions with formal logic elements?
Are you missing questions with heavy conditional reasoning elements?
Are you missing questions with numbers and percentages?
Are you missing questions that deal with technical nomenclature?
Are you missing questions that deal with science/economics/law/etc.?

If you can key in on the specific content of the types of problems that you are having trouble with, then you can work on developing an effective strategy for attacking those types of problems.

2) Why am I missing this/these question(s)?

Are you having timing issues and only missing questions when you are rushing at the end of the section? (focus on timing)
Are you misreading? (focus on attention to detail)
Are you misunderstanding the stimuli? (focus on attention to detail)
Did you get frustrated?  (focus on mental/emotional strength & stamina)
Did you lose focus? (focus on mental/emotional strength & stamina)
Is there a more effective way that you could've attacked the problem? (focus on approach)
Did you misunderstand and/or mis-diagram the relationship between elements in the stimuli? (focus on attention to detail/conditional reasoning/formal logic)
Did you narrow the answer choices down to the correct answer choice and the answer choice that you incorrectly selected? Why did you choose the incorrect answer choice? Why was it attractive? Are you choosing the same types of incorrect answers over and over? (ie. opposite answers, shell game answers, out of scope answers, etc. [pp.225 LRB])

Look for patterns in your mistakes, many people make similar errors time and time again because they don't realize what they are having trouble with and why they are making errors.

I started self-studying in the beginning of July, because Kaplan was an utter waste of money. I've been scoring fairly high on all my practice tests I've taken alone since the diagnostic (169-176), and I've read both bibles (I read LG twice), so I need something to do that will benefit me from now until October 4th, besides taking all the prep tests I have left. I guess I'm wondering if anyone has tips for better familiarizing myself with the test. I have a bunch of my old prep tests, but I don't know how I'd go about rereading them to improve my consistency/eliminate careless errors. So, does anyone have tips on how I could effectively study the material on the prep tests? Also, are there any suggestions for additional studying I could do? Thanks.

See my post here:,4012980.msg5151450.html#msg5151450

I'm re-taking the LSAT in December.

I've already taken Kaplan's prep course & did their higher score guarantee.

I'm trying to change my study habits & just do everything differently this time around because.....well I have to.

I can tell you my BIGGEST weakness is Logical Reasoning. For some reason, I make the same stupid mistakes over & over again! This is what's killing my score!

I have no problem with games surprisingly and RC is so-so- depending on my mood.

I still have all my Kaplan books & all my Powerscore books.

I was thinking of just re-doing all the Kaplan homework over again. I guess my main question here is how can I go about this a totally different way.  I need to change this up.

What types of problems in particular are  you struggling with? Take a close look at your last few exams and consider what types of questions you are missing. Do you struggle with must be true/assumption/flaw/etc. questions? Do you struggle with questions containing formal logic? Is conditional reasoning causing your problems? Do numbers and percentages throw you off? Are you missing questions near the end because you are rushing to finish in time, or are you missing questions because you are making errors when you aren't rushing? Are the answers apparent upon review, or do you have trouble seeing why an answer choice is correct/incorrect even when reviewing? 

Carefully consider your weak areas, and aggressively work to develop those skills. If you realize that you are struggling with Assumption questions, for example, carefully re-read that section in the LRB, then skim through preptests 1-20 or so, locating each "assumption" question. One-by-one, work through ONLY assumption questions in untimed conditions. Review after each question. Don't move on until you are comfortable that you thoroughly understand the question. Develop a methodical approach to the question type, then drill until that approach is engrained in your mind and becomes almost reflexive.

Thanks for the suggestions on the Powerscore Bible. It arrived yesterday. I'm only up to page 36 and I already feel more confident about the logic games!

Good! You will really see progress as you work through the LGB. My suggestion is to go through the Linear Games chapter, then I recommend going to the back of the LGB, making a list of all linear games in PTs 1 through 25 or so. Attack each of these games until you have mastered the Linear Game Type. Then, repeat this process for each game type: advanced linear, grouping, combination, etc.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is There An Online Timer For LSAT Practice?
« on: August 04, 2008, 10:03:26 PM »
I'm terribly confused.  What is wrong with using a watch?  Ya know, those things you strap to your wrist that have a big hand and a little hand, the type of thing that is the only type of timer ur allowed to use on test day.  I mean really, have people forgotten how to tell time with a good old fashioned watch?  Has the world gone mad with tech crap?  I bet apple has the iWatch in the works, it will only cost you $200 and it reminds you when to cook, eat, sleep, poop, and shower.
If you get a digital timer make sure it is one that you can set to turn on your toaster at a specified time, that feature is pretty cool!

I believe timers are illegal on the real LSAT now anyway, so better get used to the watch.

Don't listen to these guys. They are obviously not prepping for the LSAT in the most effective way possible. A timer is a MUST HAVE when prepping for the LSAT.

Yeah sure, just getting good at answering the questions in the allotted time so you don't have to obsess about time and timers and warnings and how to jimmy a bezel while being paranoid and OCD at the same time you are supposed to be answering questions fast certainly could not be the most effective way to do it.

Cliff, try and keep up with me here... We are taking about prepping for the LSAT. A HUGE part of any successful LSAT preparation is the development of the ability to take the LSAT under the strictly timed conditions required of the real exam. The OP is clearly not looking for an online timer so that he can take his laptop into the testing center. He is working on developing his sense of timing by taking timed prep tests. The appropriate way to develop this sense is to practice under timed conditions. How do you suggest that he develops a keen sense of timing without prepping with a timer?  An analog watch is great, but an auditory alert when time is up is also essential. By exam day he will have developed an intuitive sense of timing by having properly prepped with a kitchen timer and watch. I've provided practical advice regarding how to successfully work on LSAT timing, while you've managed to criticize people who use timers to study for the LSAT.

The OP asks about digital timers, you criticize digital timers and advocate for analog watches.
I advise implementing a practical approach, which takes advantage of the use of BOTH digital timers and analog watches, you criticize analog watches and advocate for the use of NO timing device.
What exactly are you trying to achieve? 

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