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Thanks so much to everyone. HYS, that post was awesome.
Thanks LD8, always glad to help.

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From the guy with the pink polo and popped collar?  I guess you're the expert in embarrassing oneself.

For the record, my collar is not popped. I'm wearing a Brooks Brothers polo (collar down) tucked into khaki slacks. Again, your characteristic inattention to detail and relevance has undermined any point that you may have been trying to make. Although, I'm not convinced that you had one to begin with.

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Being irritated by shills is one thing.  Hell, it's obnoxious and I get that.  But stop acting like you're God's gift to the LSAT and that it must be done your way or it's WRONG.  BTW, being a major jerk to discredit Alisa's position on the LSAT (as well as attempting to respond to me in kind) is basically an ad hominem attack.  I'm sure you know what those are, being such a sweet ass LSAT pontificator and all.

In fact, Ms. Spano, I do know what an ad hominem argument is. Unfortunately, you appear to have a mistaken understanding of the term.

I responded to AlisaGreenstein's advice to read the question stem first by enumerating specific reasons why doing so is unlikely to be helpful. My argument provided evidence against her claim, and did not attack AlisaGreenstein herself.

On the other hand, you responded by calling me an "an insufferable a-hole" and "jerk" in an attempt to discredit my argument by attacking my character, rather than my argument itself. That is, by definition, an ad hominem abusive fallacy.

Furthermore, your claim, "I have taken the LSAT and been successful using other methods you so rudely dismissed in your previous post. In addition, I have previously been unsuccessful when taking the LSAT and using some of the methods that you advocated.", is riddled with fallacious reasoning. Your argument generalizes from a single, unrepresentative, anecdotal claim. It also assumes a causal relationship when only a correlation has been shown. I doubt that reading the stimulus prior to the stem caused you to perform unsuccessfully.

If you'd like to discuss the merits of reading the question stem prior to the stimulus, I'd be happy to do so. If you are only here to express your unwarranted animosity towards me by launching baseless, personal attacks so that you can brag about it with your buddies on the General Off-Topic boards, then I'm not interested in continuing the conversation.

Either way, you are only embarrassing yourself.

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HYSHopeful, I was going to go through your post and address your points, but you sound like an insufferable a-hole and it would take too much of my time.  You have good numbers, but it's no reason to be a jerk.

If my previous post came off as "insufferable", I apologize. I'm only trying to look after the best interests of the people who come here to get legitimate advice. If AlisaGreenstein wasn't a shill for a prep company, then I wouldn't have been so critical. I have a problem with representatives of prep companies who come on here to spam the message boards, particularly when their advice is likely to actually hurt the individuals who follow it.

AlisaGreenstein's post was nothing but a thinly veiled attempt at generating traffic for Veritas Prep... Which wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that individuals might actually follow the advice that she gave... Which wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that doing so may actually hurt said individuals.

I'm unsure as to what your motivation might be for defending veritas prep company.

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There is no substitute for PRACTICE.  Buy as many authentic LSAT examinations as you can and try as many as possible under timed, quiet, test-taking conditions.  Also try some of these tips:
(1) Read the stem of the logical reasoning questions before the actual passage question itself.  It gives you an idea of what you are looking for. 

WRONG! Please, for the love of God, do NOT read the stem first. Always, always, ALWAYS read the stimulus first, then the stem, then the questions.

Why?

1) It causes confusion: You don't need the distraction of trying to remember the stem while you are reading the stimulus. The stimulus often contains dense, difficult, material. You will only confuse yourself by trying to split your focus between comprehending the stimulus AND applying it to the stem simultaneously.

2) It wastes time: If you read the stem first, then you will probably end up having to read it a second time after reading the stimulus.  If it takes you 8 seconds to read the stem the first time, then that is nearly 3.5 minutes per exam wasted... 10% of your time!

3) "Knowing what to look for" is often predictable WITHOUT reading the stimulus: The LSAT is predictable, and similar situations arise again and again. With proper preparation, you will begin to anticipate what the question stem will ask, simply by recognizing a familiar pattern in the stimulus. Therefore, the only conceivable benefit to be derived from prematurely reading the stem--knowing what to look for in a stimulus--is a skill that you will develop naturally with proper preparation (and without any need to waste 10% of your test time reading the stimulus).


Quote from: AlisaGreenstein
(2) In the Logic Games, if you get the right answer in question (A), don't bother reading questions (B) - (D).  This is a huge time saver and the exam is all about speed and accuracy.


Don't bother reading "Questions" (B) - (D), eh? I thought that questions were numbered, and answer choices were lettered...

...And what happened to "E"?

If the exam is about speed and accuracy, as you say, then perhaps representatives of prep test companies attempting to solicit business by doling out generic "advice" on message boards should strive for a minimum level of accuracy themselves.

Quote from: AlisaGreenstein
(3) Make sure you know the main conclusion or main point after reading any reading comp passage - this will help you answer at least three of the questions.  Feel free to ask any other questions!

Alisa Greenstein | Veritas Prep Admissions Consultant | www.VeritasPrep.com 

Thanks for the generic, awful advice Alisa. If you are going to spam message boards, it'd be in everyone's best interest not to post irrelevant, contrarian information.

Cheers,

HYSHopeful


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Let me clarify my request
« on: December 03, 2008, 12:41:19 PM »
I need a suggested study schedule for the two months leading up to test day.  Thanks!

If you give a mouse a cookie...

Quote from: onmytoes812
thanks for the vote of confidence and the extremely helpful advice.

i can't take it in june and october is too late for a first try...and i highly doubt i will fail at life.

First, just something to consider... I think the reason people reacted so negatively to your comment isn't because two months won't be enough time to study, or even because you'd like someone to tailor a study schedule for you. It probably has a great deal more to do with the way that you asked. In general, a short & flippant query will be met with short & flippant answers. If you'd have taken the time to type out a well-considered, thoughtful request then you'd have surely received well-considered, thoughtful responses.

I took the time to provide you with a comprehensive list of all of the materials you need for successful self-study.

Get them, read them, learn them, take the PTs. Rinse & Repeat...

Day 1: take an untimed base-line PT (something recent, like PT 46 or above). Review it for a few hours. See where you went wrong, go back through each question. Get a sense of where & why you are making mistakes.

Day 2: take an timed base-line PT (something recent, like PT 46 or above). Review it for a few hours. See where you went wrong, go back through each question. Get a sense of where & why you are making mistakes. Consider how time effected your score.

Week 1: Read LGB & drill Basic Linear games from PTs 1-25 (see LGB appendix for game breakdown)

Take a couple more untimed PTs (in the mid to late 20s) - start to develop a feel for the test

Week 2: Read LRB and take at least 10 to 14 LR sections from older PTs (1-25ish)

Take a couple more full, untimed PTs - continue to develop a feel for the test

Week 3: Review LGB and drill Advanced Linear & Grouping Games.

Take a couple of full, timed PTs, something in the early 30 range. Begin to develop your sense of timing.

Week 4: Read RCB and take at least 10 to 14 RC sections from older PTs (1-25ish)

Take a couple of full, timed PTs, something in the mid 30 range. Continue to develop your sense of timing.

Weeks 5-8: Drill yourself on all weaknesses discovered in weeks 1-4. Figure out specifically what types of questions you are having difficulty with, and focus your studying efforts on those question types.

Take 20+ full, timed PTs.





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Studying for the LSAT / Re: What letter will you choose?
« on: December 03, 2008, 11:48:45 AM »
General guessing strategy says go with "D", with 2 exceptions:

The last 5 questions on Logic Games, your guess should be "A".
The last 5 questions on Logical Reasoning, your guess should be "E".

Otherwise, always go with "D"

See: What is the best LSAT guessing strategy? for statistics regarding guessing strategy, and for more details.



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I've taken a full-length Kaplan timed test (160...it was pretty cold), but I haven't done anything in awhile. I have 10 real LSATs and I'm going to work through the LG Bible.  Best tips?
Goal: 170 (or so)


First of all, no more "Kaplan Timed Tests." Only work with REAL LSAT TESTS (see below). The great thing about the LSAT is that there are nearly 60 real, official, tests for you to take. That is something like 6000 real lsat questions that you can use to study. The only reason that companies publish these fake LSATs is a profit-motive. They don't want to pay the fees to publish legit questions, so they create these half-assed LSATs that aren't at all representitive of real LSATs.  Please, find and buy every REAL LSAT preptest, and don't confuse yourself with the fake LSATs that are out there on the market.

Second, check out my general LSAT tips.

Then, You are going to need the following:

10 Acutal, Official LSAT PrepTests
10 More Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests
The Next 10 Actual, Official Lsat PrepTests
The Official LSAT SuperPrep
PrepTest 39-54 (find them here)

Must-Have prep books:
The PowerScore LSAT Logic Games Bible<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=httpwwwpublas-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0980178207" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
The PowerScore LSAT Logical Reasoning Bible<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=httpwwwpublas-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0972129618" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
The PowerScore LSAT Logic Games Ultimate Setups Guide<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=httpwwwpublas-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1605303585" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
The PowerScore 2004 LSATs Deconstructed<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=httpwwwpublas-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0972129642" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
LSAT PrepTest 51 Deconstructed
The PowerScore LSAT Reading Comprehension Bible<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0980178223" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />

Then, you need:

The perfect LSAT watch
&
A kitchen timer

Optional books that I used and semi-liked...

Cracking the LSAT with DVD, 2009 Edition (Graduate Test Prep)<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0375428623" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
Master the LSAT (Prep Course Series)<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1889057312" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />


Books that I've never seen, but some people also like...

Kaplan LSAT 180 2007-2008 (Kaplan Lsat 180)<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1419550977" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
Kaplan LSAT Logic Games Workbook<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1427797846" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
Ace the LSAT Logic Games<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0974853364" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />
LSAT Workout (Graduate Test Prep)<img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=lsatprep-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0375764593" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />


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