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Perhaps you should set your hopes lower than HYS - the LSAC had since the 16th to rush the other 39,900 scores.


I'm not certain if you did not read my post properly, or if you are just particularly dense.

My reply was to the comment "...(2) If they test on 30 June and still get everyone's scores (including Iowa) out on 7/7, then why are waiting almost 3 weeks when it appears LSAC can rush and get it done in about 1 week? "

The author of this comment appears to believe that since the LSAC seems to be able to score the June 30th examinees' tests and release them in one week, then everyones scores should be able to be prepared in a similarly expedient manner.

The author of the comment posed a question: "...why are [we] waiting almost 3 weeks when it appears LSAC can rush and get it done in about 1 week? "

In response to this inquiry, I wrote: "Re: (2)  -   Just because LSAC can prepare 100 scores from one testing location in one week doesn't mean that they can prepare 40,000 scores from EVERY testing center in one week."

Why does it take them 3 weeks and not 1 week? Because of the sheer quantity of exams.

I hope you didn't have this difficult of a time understanding arguments on the LSAT.

Yo , I just read these posts about Iowa.. so what's the deal?  no early score reporting??  if that's the case-- @#!* iowa.

I doubt the Iowa make-up date will have an effect on us because (1) they probably took a different test and (2) If they test on 30 June and still get everyone's scores (including Iowa) out on 7/7, then why are waiting almost 3 weeks when it appears LSAC can rush and get it done in about 1 week?

If anyone took the test at Iowa, can they confirm they have the same LSAC anticipated release date (7/7) or was that changed?

Re: (2)  -   Just because LSAC can prepare 100 scores from one testing location in one week doesn't mean that they can prepare 40,000 scores from EVERY testing center in one week.

I really don't think that Iowa will have an impact on our score release. There were questions and answers posted all over the place. No way you can have a standardized test with leaked questions.

Yeah I didn't consider this. They must have given them a different test.

Regardless of what test they took, I have a feeling that they will wait until ALL scores are ready prior to releasing them.

Damn. I'm losing all hope of getting my score back prior to July 7th.

It definitely seems like they scheduled the Iowa make-up exam on June 30th to give the test takers 6 days to cancel their score prior to releasing them on the 7th.

I was REALLY hoping for a nice relaxing holiday weekend... but I have some pretty serious doubts now...

I agree with HYSHopeful on all of this.

I think you'll find that at some point, LGs will just 'click,'  and you'll start getting 0-2 wrong per games section.   Beyond occasional review so you don't forget what you've learned, you won't need to study them anymore.  Games are the easiest section to learn, so start there - LG drilling will provide the most immediate results.

That said...LG are only  1/4 of the test, so that's not enough to get a 170.   As HYSHopeful noted, you probably aren't going to score a 170 with a -12.  On the legendarily brutal June 2007 scale, -12 was a 166.  In addition, most people go down a few points from their practice scores on the real exam. (Everybody assumes they won't be one of those people...and then they are.)  So you're probably going to want to kick it up a notch. 

But you have three months; you can do it.  Focus on LR (in addition to LR counting for more of the test, RC is harder to improve.) Learn, live, and love the Bibles.  Pull the questions apart.  Don't just plow through Preptests - really analyze the questions and why each answer choice is right or wrong.

Finally, make sure you get your hands on *recent* (2005-on) tests.  This is crucial, IMHO, because the test has evolved over time.  Games have gotten easier, RC has gotten harder, and LR has shifted in focus.   And in general, the scale has gotten tougher; I don't think there has been a -12=170 scale since 2004.  Save the recent exams for the last month before the test, when you've built up your skills.  These tests will give you a more realistic estimate of how you'll do on test day.

Good luck!

Additional Comments For LG:

I'd recommend working through about 40 to 80 games at your leisure (from preptests 1 - 20). (Don't worry too much about spacial games and other oddities that haven't shown up in years.)

After you've done that, then I'd go through the LGB again and really absorb the material therein. The LGB will take on a new meaning after you have struggled through dozens of games on your own.

On PT 20-40, try and get down to -3 or so per section under timed conditions. Remember, anyone could get 24/24 on a games section if they had 15 minutes to complete each game. Work on pacing and use PT's 20-40 to develop your sense of timing and to try and get down to -3, -4 per section.

PT 40-53 should definitely be taken in the two weeks preceding your test date (if possible), and each exam should be taken as a whole.  By 45 or so, you should really be scoring in the -2 to -0 range every time, hopefully with more -0's than -2's, and [ideally] finishing with 25 to 90 seconds to spare.

That is the basic progression that I went through with LG, and in June 2008 I finished LG with about 2 minutes to spare, feeling fairly confident of my performance.

Laura is right, the test has evolved over time... This is why I'd recommend taking the exams in chronological order. This way, you will have taken the most recent exams immediately preceding your actual exam. This will ensure that your most relevant prep work is done in the days prior to your taking the exam.

I think that the actual test material has gotten easier over time, but the scale has gotten correspondingly unforgiving as a result.

I may be an anomaly, but I found LR to be the most intuitive (and easiest) sections. Especially as you work through test after test, doing 2x as many LR sections as RC and LG.

Also, If you miss 4 per section on the LR and RC, you are looking at -12, which is very unlikely to be in the 170s on your real LSAT. (perhaps if you were taking the exam in the 1990s, but not today.)

I would make your top priority LR... it accounts for roughly 50% of your exam... and isn't as difficult as many people will have you believe. If anything, the LR sections are the most predictable of them all.

Having said that, LG is probably the section that you will be able to improve the most on... and if you take that section seriously as well, you should be able to master it.

I suppose my advice comes down to this: DO master LG, but DO NOT neglect LR.

Law School Applications / Re: fee waivers
« on: June 27, 2008, 01:55:10 AM »
Law School Applications board seems like it would be a better place to get good advice re: fee waivers

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Study groups in Chicago?
« on: June 27, 2008, 01:43:01 AM »
I'm about 3 hours away from Chicago, but would potentially be willing to proctor a timed prep test in and attempt to simulate actual LSAT conditions.

I just took the June LSAT and felt pretty comfortable. I love Chicago, and would love to have an excuse to spend the weekend there. I was prepping in the 174-178 range within the weeks leading up to my exam, and would be more than willing to spend time going through various questions after the exam.

Full Disclosure: I'm considering doing LSAT tutoring in the future, and would appreciate the in order to determine my level of aptitude in this area.

Let me know!


Someone posted this earlier but here is when last december came out. (It had the same holiday conflict and was released early as well.)

Wow, 12 days early... I would LOVE that.

That would mean we would get our scores back any day now. Sadly, I think the soonest we can hope for is July 3rd.

From reading other threads, it seems as though they have a habit of posting the Friday prior to the official release date. Of course, "July 4, 2008 LSAC Offices Closed for Independence Day." Therefore, July 3rd seems to be the most reasonable guess.

If I scored above 176 I am buying a ticket to Vegas to spend the extended weekend there. Anyone else have any celebratory plans?

If I get over 170 I'm asking my girlfriend to marry me

If you get over 170 she's probably going to ask you to marry her!

I'm dead serious about this! She's ready to go, we've been dating for eight years this August. I just haven't done it yet because I don't see how I can pay for a wedding while in school... the ring is going to be tough enough.

About the 178 on my quote, that is just a clever plot to rick-roll people.. but I'm changing it, I guess it too misleading

Good luck with the engagement. You can shock her with a 178 and a 1.78 carat ring.

If only I hadn't taken the last month off of work to study for the LSAT and hadn't spent all my money on prep materials... then perhaps I'd make an honest woman out of my girlfriend as well.

I suppose I'll have to wait until [god willing] I am able to get down on bended knee and ask... "Will you move to Cambridge with me?"

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Question for those who get 170 or +
« on: June 25, 2008, 07:43:58 PM »
It is important to have a general understanding about certain things that you can expect to see on the questions: Main point, organization, author's attitude & purpose, paragraph function, etc.

In addition, be aware of:
-shifts in point of view ("Despite," "however," "nevertheless," "on the other hand," "on the contrary," "proponents claim...," "critics claim...", etc.) [be sure to know which point of view the author subscribes to]
-lists ("first... second... third...", "one such... another...")

It is less important to know specific details (scientific nomenclature, definitions, etc.). It is, however, important to know WHERE these unfamiliar terms are so that you can quickly refer to them when you see a question regarding them.

Granted, it is always great if you can quickly read a passage and fully comprehend every detail... it simply isn't always possible to do so. If you cannot, then try and get the gist of the passage and move on to the questions without wasting too much time reading and re-reading. It is easy to refer back to the passage to answer questions on specific points, as long as you understand it well enough to know where to quickly find the

Personally, I usually feel like I've read a passage properly if I read it in 3:00 (+/- :30), and can easily answer the main point question.

After reading through hundreds of passages, you develop an intuitive sense of where the questions are likely to come from. Pay attention to developing that sense, and learn to anticipate what will be asked of you (but DON'T read the questions before reading the passage).

I was scoring in the 174-178 range on my PT's during the last couple weeks of my prep, and that is what worked for me. Good Luck!

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