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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Diving-in, head first!
« on: May 01, 2013, 01:27:49 PM »
If you do some snooping around the web, you can find the PowerScore books and all past LSATs and explanations for past LSATs available to download (illegally) for free.

LSATGamesTutor, please don't imply that people should download these books illegally.

You do NOT want to start your legal career by downloading illegal copies of the LSAT from sources that do not pay LSAC licensing fees. You should only download pdf versions of the LSAT from sources that are officially authorized by LSAC! LSAC and other companies routinely monitor for illegal downloads... Donít risk ruining your chances of getting into law school or failing your character and fitness evaluation by subjecting yourself to litigation. You could end up halfway through law school, then getting a subpoena in the mail and being pulled into a big mess that you'll have to sort out. It's an easy way to risk ruining your legal career before it ever gets started.

I will definitely look into the resources you have mentioned, and give the studying a solid chance the next few weeks to observe improvement.  I can always back away from the test if I feel like progress hasn't been satisfactory.

I think you are on the right track. It is probably premature for you to make a decision whether or not to retake the LSAT at this point. You won't know how much more you can increase your LSAT preptest scores or how consistant your scores are until you renew your LSAT preparation efforts.

If I were you, I'd dedicate as much time as possible to LSAT prep over the next several weeks. Treat it like a full-time job. Work your ass off for a month or so, then reevaluate. If you still aren't consistently scoring in the 165+ range by that point, you'll have another tough decision to make.

I will say this though... you've got something like 7 weeks until the June LSAT. It seems like you already have a fairly strong grasp of the basics, and you are just having a difficult time getting to that next level. YOU CAN GET THERE in time. If you really focus on your LSAT prep, and spend alot of time between now and the June LSAT not only working on problems but also reviewing & analyzing your LSAT preptest performance to figure out what your weaknesses are and why you are losing points... if you really take these next 7 weeks seriously then I have little doubt that you will crush it in June.

Proceed over the coming weeks as if you were DEFINITELY taking the June LSAT. If you go into this in a wishy-washy manner then it is much easier to make excuses and convince yourself that it is ok to put off the serious LSAT prep work that you need to do. I'd try switching up your study methods ASAP... I hit a plateau somewhere in the low- to mid-160 range that I wasn't able to break out of until I started working with the powerscore bibles, and I suspect that you might have a similar experience as well. I'd especially recommend the Logic Games Bible, given your performance on the LG section of your LSAT. If you work through that book and really focus on Logic Games for a couple of weeks, that section should be much more manageable. I went from missing something like 5-8 questions per LG section to consistently missing 0-2 questions after working with the bible for a couple of weeks. I wrote a lengthy post a couple of years ago about how I used the LGB which you can find here:

It also seems like you are struggling with timing, at least on LG and RC... How many full, timed LSAT preptests have you taken? If you are the type of person who struggles with timing on the LSAT but is already scoring fairly well, seems to have a solid understanding of the material and answers a high percentage of the questions correctly if they dont run out of time... then you might want to consider spending the last 3 weeks (or so) before the LSAT taking around 6 or 7 full-length, timed preptests per week. If you already have a solid foundation and good understanding of the material, you should really be able to get a much better feel for the rhythm of the LSAT. I honestly cannot explain the sort of zen-like state that I began to feel in the final couple of weeks before the LSAT, but I only got that feeling after a couple of weeks of taking at least 6 or 7 preptests per week for a couple of weeks straight... at some point things just started to click, and click, and click, until I was hitting in the 175+ range on every preptest during the week before my exam.

Let me know how things go and what you decide to do... and if you find my advice to be helpful, I've got a bunch of posts that I'm continuing to release on that might be useful to you.

Good Luck!!

You've definitely got a tough decision to make.

On the one hand, students who retake a 162 LSAT score only earn an average of a 2.1 point increase in their LSAT score (see historical LSAT repeater data here: The scary thing is that 168 out of the 663 individuals who retook the LSAT after getting a score of 162 went on to earn a lower score on their retake... so you've got to really think about the risk/reward tradeoff there. You should definitely do some research on your target schools to see how they treat multiple LSAT scores. Some schools only take the top score, but many others will take all LSAT scores into account in their admission decision process.

On the other hand, assuming that you have plenty of LSAT preptests that you haven't worked on yet, I'd imagine that you have room to improve your LSAT score. If you haven't done so already, you should pick up a copy of the Logic Games Bible, the Logical Reasoning Bible, and the Reading Comprehension Bible . I tried Princeton Review and Kaplan materials for a while, but I wasn't able to consistently break into the 165+ range until I studied with those books. Thankfully I found the bibles in time to break out of the "Kaplan Plateau" and into the 170s, earning a 177 on exam day.

Good Luck!

Here are a couple of related resources I wrote a while back and just posted today when I saw your question because I thought that they might be helpful to you:

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Diving-in, head first!
« on: April 16, 2013, 06:26:46 PM »
I love your enthusiasm! That is the kind of positive attitude that it takes to CRUSH the LSAT.

As far as the Princeton Review LSAT Self-Study course goes... I'd recommend steering clear of them. I personally find their lsat prep materials to be sub-par. I'm pretty sure that their "Cracking the LSAT" book still uses fake LSAT questions. There are something like 700 real lsat prep questions available for licensing, and yet they still create their own lsat prep tests / lsat prep questions to avoid LSAC licensing fees. I'm pretty sure that the Princeton Review book was the first LSAT prep book that I purchased as well... and although I was able to make some marginal progress, I didn't really start to see real gains until I switched over to the PowerScore books. Take a look at the link in my footer and consider buying a couple of PowerScore Bibles -- If you prefer their materials, then consider taking the online version of their class.

In any case, its probably a much safer bet to stick with one of the following companies:

7Sage has a couple of options...

I'm not familiar with 7Sage's materials/methods... so I can't speak to those options one way or another.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Best LSAT prep course
« on: February 13, 2013, 04:18:54 PM »
Best LSAT Prep Courses

I didn't take an LSAT prep course so my best lsat prep course list is not based on personal experience, but from what I've read in my years on these forums the general consensus seemed to be that the top lsat prep courses are:

Powerscore -
Testmasters ( by Robin Singh, NOT
Blueprint -

As far as the best online lsat prep courses, there seem to be new ones popping up every year. For now, I'd probably stick with the online version of one of the aforementioned companies.

The newer LSAT prep courses might be cheaper, but at least you know that these companies have proven their lsat prep methods over years of in-class live lsat prep courses that they have taught.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT Preptest 66
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:53:29 AM »
What about LSAT preptest 66?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: best lsat prep materials
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:51:45 AM »
Oh, and you also should pick up copies of PrepTests 39-51 and 62-most recent as well.

You can view a full list at

Studying for the LSAT / Re: best lsat prep materials
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:49:29 AM »
Just make sure not to get stuck trying to learn and master techniques that may not work for you.

The best way not to get stuck trying to learn and master techniques that may not work for you is probably to start with the best LSAT prep books and avoid the others. If you start with mediocre or even bad advice (as is found in all-too-many LSAT prep books on the market), those habits are going to be much harder to break.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: best lsat prep materials
« on: January 30, 2013, 12:43:35 AM »
As a supplement to any test prep book you get I think purchasing LSAC's 10 actual preptests (and then the 10 NEW ones and the ones with comparative reading) is invaluable to true test preparation.
Since they are the closest thing to the actual test you can get your hands on, you can go through them as if you're taking the real test 10 times. The only problem is they do not provide reasons for the right answers, but most of the time I am able to work out where I went wrong and if I cannot I can ask for help (like I did in another topic in this forum, though people seem reluctant to respond).

Agreed. There is no substitute for taking real LSAT practice questions.

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